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Old 05-09-20, 09:13
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Oh dear, the poor man. He made the pages of the Times in the end.

Merry, a fistful of gold stars for that. Thank you. Now why didn't I think of looking in the papers? Pistol shot certainly sounds like the logical interpretation.

Kite, I can't quite imagine what a robust index to deaths is supposed to mean. On the other hand, if they had said it was an index to robust deaths I would have to agree.

Not what I expected to find when I couldn't sleep at 4 in the morning, but always satisfying when the mystery is solved.

Thank you all very much. Maybe now I can go back to sleep, except my new problem is figuring out how to tell this to my stepson whose great-greatgrandfather this was.
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Oh dear, I'm sure you will find a way. I wonder how long he had been a widower?
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Old 05-09-20, 22:18
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Elizabeth Debus [nee Enders/Anders] had died about two and a half years earlier, Merry.
Death Date: 12 Nov 1902
Death Street Address: 386 So 3rd St
Death Place: New York City, Brooklyn, New York, USA
Cause of Death: Exhaustion, Abcess of Liver

I'm going crazy now. I know they were in Liverpool on the 1871. I saw the image and put in a correction because the birthplace of the parents and two of the children, as I read it, is Frankfurt am Main. That must have been on FindMyPast. They had transcribed the birthplace for all as Lancashire, England. FamilySearch has it down as Frankford.
Jacob, Elizabeth, John, Henry, Jacob, Philip Debus 1871 Liverpool

I can't make the image turn up for me anywhere though.

They should still be there in 1881 and 1891 but I have to go sit down now to a delicious dinner I did not make.

According to the 1905 article, Jacob should have arrived in the U.S. in 1892. Can't find that either. Elizabeth came over in 1893 with George, Charles and Albert. The ages are a bit out but the birth order is correct. That's on Ancestry.
Elizth, George, Charles, Albert Debus 15 Nov 1893 Liverpool to New York
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Charles junior was baptised in 1880 in Everton, Liverpool. I don't see mention of any of the others.

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They're transcribed as "Olebus" on the 1871 on Ancestry, Janet:

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...26705de58c2129

I have put in a correction. Though I'm not sure that it doesn't say Olebus on the image. I wouldn't like to have been the person who had to transcribe it!

I thought I would get to it easily using the reference numbers from FamilySearch, but although they had the piece number and Enumeration District number, I don't know what that "24" means. Not page or folio number.
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Old 05-09-20, 23:44
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Good heavens. I thought the same the first time I saw it, about having to transcribe that. Thank you, Kite. I'll look again later—now that you've found them for me!

Thanks, OC. I thought I had seen more children registered or baptized there but again I'll have to give it another look later.

FamilySearch has been pointing me back into Germany, where perhaps I will find the earlier born children. Also later for that!
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Old 05-09-20, 23:52
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Found my list of suspects, OC:

Margaret Daybus 1876
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer...34?pId=2707076

George Daybus 1878
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer...ue&pId=2718926

Charles Debus 1880
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer...03?pId=2709854

Albert Debus 1882
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer...16?pId=2690759

??? 1884

Florence Dabas 1886
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer...49?pId=3039030


Don't know what happened to 1884.

EDIT: I've added links to Ancestry in case anyone wants to argue me out of any of these.
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Ah, I wasn't using soundex on Lanopc and lancsbmd only gave me Davies as soundex. Going to have another look. (To satisfy myself, lol).

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Old 06-09-20, 12:54
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I don't understand what we need to do with the suspects list in post 17? Also the bit about 1884?
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Old 06-09-20, 13:13
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The family should be in Liverpool in 1881 and 1891. I can't see them on either.
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