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Rebecca Newman marries John Miller at St Giles Cripplegate in 1802:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...nSearchResults


One of the witnesses is John Fray.


John (a bricklayer) and Rebecca have two children: Ann Jane and John Fray.


Here is Ann Jane's baptism on 31 Agust 1806:


https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...nSearchResults



Something catastrophic happens and John disappears from the scene.


Here are the children, being discharged from the workhouse into the care of their mother on 21 August 1813:


https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...=successSource


I'm not sure what happens to John Fray Miller, but Rebecca takes Ann Jane with her down to Portsmouth and marries William Polling 13 June 1814 in St Marys, Portsea:



https://search.findmypast.co.uk/reco...2F00028251%2F2



In 1841 she is living in Pye Row, Portsea, next door to her daughter, aged 50 and not born in county:



https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...cklabel=Return


Rebecca dies 21 December 1859 and is buried on Christmas Eve, widow of Pye Street aged 82:



https://search.findmypast.co.uk/reco...ERY%2F00014630


So where is she in 1851? If not in Pye Street, where? She has a year of birth somewhere between 1777 and 1790 and she could, of course, be staying with son John or any other relation.
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There is a William John Polling death Oct-Dec 1846 Portsea, age 54, which could be her husband, but I haven't found Rebecca in 1851 yet.
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I can't see that Pye anything appears on the 1851 census in Hampshire, at least not using FMP indexing.
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Another child of theirs? Francis Burdett son of John Miller Brickr & Rebeca born 1 Sep and baptised 4 Nov 1804 at St Giles Cripplegate:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...&usePUBJs=true

He was mistranscribed on Ancestry as having surname Burdett but I am putting in a correction (I found him on a public tree but it had no info about what happened to Rebecca).
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There is a William John Polling death Oct-Dec 1846 Portsea, age 54, which could be her husband, but I haven't found Rebecca in 1851 yet.
The address for that burial is Pie Row, so that's a different spelling! Wll have another look at FMP.
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I've looked at Pie Row and Pie Street in 1851, but no Rebecca Polling there and no missing schedule numbers. The only Rebecca listed was 74 year-old Rebecca Rogers born Droxford? Hants.
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Rebecca is probably in the same place as my 3xg-grandparents who also refuse to appear in 1851 and, like your Rebecca, don't quite make it to the 1861 census.
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Thought it might help if we could find out where and when she was born, and there is this possible baptism for her:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...73438626/facts

St Leonard, Shoreditch, 13 May 1781
Rebecca D of Thomas & Jane Newman of Norton Follgate, born April the 3rd.

Thomas Newman married Jane Fray 8 Apr 1776 at St Mary Islington which is why I think this could be her. There is a public tree which shows Jane Fray's father as a John Fray b 1717 and also shows Jane having a brother John Fray born 1753. So John Fray Miller could have been named after either of them, and the marriage witness could have been the one born 1753.
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Oh, thank you for that, Kite!

I have Newmans in Hampshire, so I was wondering if Rebecca had returned to base. That find puts the lid on things, and proves she was a Londoner.

John and Rebecca had an elder child, Francis Burdett Miller, born in 1804. This seems to indicate that they had political awareness. (I doubt whether there will be that many Boris Johnson Smiths or Jeremy Corbyn Browns born this month)

Lots of trees are showing Francis as marrying in London in the 1820s, but unless he was looked after by family members, I would have expected him to be with his brother and sister, so I wonder if he died young.

The records that might have shown admission and discharge, settlement examination etc have not survived, so I don't know what happened to Rebecca's first husband.

Yes, that's the correct death for William John Pulling/Polling/Poulden, as the burial gives the correct address.

I just wish I knew why Rebecca came south. And where the devil the DNA connection is!

I suppose it is possible that Rebecca's children were by William, who happened to be working in London, and when things came to a head, she and William headed for Portsmouth? But that seems far-fetched.
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