"Toxteth Park Reformatory" 9 & 11 Park Hill Rd

[Merry]

Oooh, maybe they did have two Margarets:

name: Margaret Wilson
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 11 Aug 1850
baptism/christening place: SAINT JOHN,PRESTON,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND
death date: 25 Jan 1852
father's name: William Wilson
mother's name: Ellen
indexing project (batch) number: C00713-5
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 93989


name: Margaret Wilson
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 02 Mar 1855
baptism/christening place: Preston, Lancashire, England
father's name: William Wilson
mother's name: Ellen Wilson
indexing project (batch) number: C03685-7
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1278756

Looking again at the 1851 census Margaret looks to be one month which would not fit with the first bap, but it;s possible it says 9 mths! If she was 1 mth then there's no birth reg. There is a death in 1852 to fit, but there are clearly quite a few Margarets to choose from!

[Merry]

I suppose if the death cert in Q1 1852 proves to be a child of Wm and Ellen then there's a good chance the Ellen on the 1861 is listed as aged 6 and is the one you are looking for.

I briefly looked for Wm and Ellen and/or the other children in 1871 but found nothing conclusive. The only positive match was Oliver who was married with a couple of children.

[WendyLF]

Originally Posted by Merry

Oh, probaby forget that as I didn't realise Margaret is already in the Toxteth reformatory in 1871! (assuming it's her - aged 15 b Lancs)

So, time to look again in 1861..........

I could not trace the 1871 census with her at the reformatory

[kiterunner]

Originally Posted by WendyLF

I could not trace the 1871 census with her at the reformatory

Piece 3802, folio 126, page 50.

[WendyLF]

Thanks Kate, found it finally (the long way round), was not picking it up via my normal search.

[WendyLF]

Originally Posted by Merry

Does your Margaret's age stay constant after her marriage?

Her age stays constant in all the census returns I have, i.e.
1881 = 27,
1891 = 37,
(don't have the 1901 details here at work)
1911 = 57

[Merry]

Originally Posted by WendyLF

Her age stays constant in all the census returns I have, i.e.
1881 = 27,
1891 = 37,
(don't have the 1901 details here at work)
1911 = 57

We don't need to worry about that now we know she wasn't born back in 1850ish! We now have her 6 and 15 in 1861 and 1871 respectively.

[Merry]

Here's the 1851 census:

Nixon's Row, Preston, Lancs

William Wilson head m 29 coal yard labourer
Ellen Wilson wife m 28
Oliver 8
Jane 5
Grace 3
Margaret 1m (maybe 9mths)

All children above are sons and daughters, surname Wilson, everyone b Preston (so that's different to 1861!)

The child Margaret above must be the same child as the bap I posted earlier, because on Lancs OPC the family address is transcribed:

Baptisms: 11 Aug 1850 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
Margaret Wilson - Child of William Wilson & Ellen
Abode: Nixon's Row
Occupation: Carter
Baptised by: John Kitton Curate
Register: Baptisms 1848 - 1850, Page 372, Entry 2976
Source: LDS Film 93988

Annoyingly, burials 1827-1858 are not transcribed yet!

There are two versions of the baptism for the younger Margaret:

Baptisms: 2 Mar 1855 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
Margaret Wilson - Child of William Wilson & Ellen
Abode: Well St
Occupation: Carter
Baptised by: Certified by W. Walling
Register: Baptisms 1854 - 1856, Page 303, Entry 2417
Source: LDS Film 93989

Baptisms: 2 Mar 1855 All Saints, Preston, Lancashire, England
Margaret Wilson - Child of William Wilson & Ellen
Abode: Kent Street
Occupation: carter
Baptised by: W. Walling
Register: Baptisms 1848 - 1866, Page 66, Entry 526
Source: FHL Film 1544765

There are numerous baptisms for the family on Lancs OPC and one child before Oliver, who is another Margaret. (It's hard to be certain every single entry is for the same family as, out of the whole list, there are only two where the same address is recorded!)

If you need Ellen's maiden name it might be easier to get Oliver's birth cert as there is only one to choose from!

[Merry]

50p says this is the baptism of William Wilson!

Baptisms: 2 Sep 1821 St Cuthbert, North Meols, Lancashire, England
William Wilson - Son of Oliver Wilson & Jane
Abode: Banks
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: Jos. Docker Curate
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1835, Page 117, Entry 935
Source: LDS Film 1068944

You can tell I should be taking down the Christmas decs and am putting it off - now it's time for the school run!!

[WendyLF]

Thanks Merry, when I previously tried to track Margaret's parents, there were a number to choose from but an Ellen with the Maiden name Nightingale stood out as she seemed to have alot of children, when you mentioned Oliver earlier it occured to me that I had looked up most of these births and kept a record (11 so far all registered in Preston). I just have not been certain that this is the correct Margaret as there are a number of them. So if this is the correct Margaret, I at least have some ground work done with regards to her siblings and mother's maiden name.