Robert Knowles and Mary Buckley Newton - Genealogists' Forum

ElizabethHerts · #1 18-01-17, 16:53

This couple is giving me headaches.

They married in 1820 at Almondbury:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/22...01374532/facts

I have found a son called Anthony born to Robert and Mary Buckley Knowles in Huddersfield in 1828:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/22...nSearchResults

They are living at Rashcliff and Robert Knowles is given as an Ivory Black Manufacturer. This isn't very far from Almondbury.

I have also found other children.
There is this Methodist baptism for Catherine:
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/recor...fbap%2f1477645
Robert is a druggist.
I know this is the correct couple as it give Mary Buckley Knowles' parents as John and Hannah Newton.

Other children are mentioned here:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/29...79144415/facts

This is for Holy Trinity, Shaw, which is near Oldham.
Catherine is repeated, then Margaret Buckley, Sarah Buckley and Joseph.

However, I'm struggling to find the family on censuses.

In 1851 Robert, Mary and Sarah are here:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/88...&usePUBJs=true

Mary's age is rather suspect as her mother died in 1798.
I can't find them in 1841.

Margaret Buckley Knowles died in 1852.
Sarah Buckley Knowles seems to have married a younger man, John Holgate.

I can't find out what happened to Robert Knowles and Mary Buckley Knowles.
There is a burial for a Mary Buckley Knowles, which for a long time I though might be the wife, but now I have the facility to check it is this girl:

KNOWLES, MARY BUCKLEY age 1
GRO Reference: 1858 J Quarter in OLDHAM Volume 08D Page 412

KNOWLES, MARY BUCKLEY PAULDEN
GRO Reference: 1857 J Quarter in OLDHAM Volume 08D Page 539 birth

and she is the daughter of Anthony and his wife Elizabeth.
Anthony went to Ontario, it seems.

I'm puzzled by the completely different occupation for Anthony's baptism too.

kiterunner · #2 18-01-17, 16:58

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Originally Posted by ElizabethHerts

Mary Buckley Knowles died in 1852.

Do you mean Margaret?

kiterunner · #3 18-01-17, 17:11

1841 census:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/89...cklabel=Return

ElizabethHerts · #4 18-01-17, 17:14

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Originally Posted by kiterunner

Do you mean Margaret?

Yes, sorry!

kiterunner · #5 18-01-17, 17:15

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Originally Posted by ElizabethHerts

I'm puzzled by the completely different occupation for Anthony's baptism too.

I guess he started out making one kind of chemical product (ivory black) and moved onto making pills? I think dispensing chemists / druggists did make their own pills in those days.

ElizabethHerts · #6 18-01-17, 17:15

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Originally Posted by kiterunner

1841 census:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/89...cklabel=Return

Thanks for that, Kate. I don't know why I didn't find it.

I'll have a look for the other children.

ElizabethHerts · #7 18-01-17, 17:18

I think this is Catherine in 1841:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/89...&usePUBJs=true
She is with a druggist.

kiterunner · #8 18-01-17, 17:25

I find it useful to use the free search on UK Census Online to look through the occupations and then I know what to look for on ancestry. This is Robert and Mary in 1861:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/87...cklabel=Return

kiterunner · #9 18-01-17, 17:29

Since they are in Butterworth in 1861, Robert's death could be the one listed on Lancashire BMD 1868 in Butterworth Lordship sub-district, age 69. It is Rochdale district on FreeBMD, Jan-Mar quarter 1868, vol 8e, p 3.

ElizabethHerts · #10 18-01-17, 17:31

Mary is still lying about her age, as her mother Hannah Newton, maiden name Buckley, died in 1798! However, I have never found a baptism for her. I suspect Hannah died in childbirth.