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Old 13-01-16, 13:53
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Yeah, I am aware of that fact, although I'm not sure whether James was living there or in Bristol at the time. But yes, the relative I mentioned who has been trying to trace James between ~1855 and 1871 thinks that his record must have been one of those destroyed, which is a shame as I would like to try to confirm who his first wife was.
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The 1861 census record would help us to confirm who his first wife was, but I am not sure it will ever be found.
It's always possible his first marriage was after the 1861 census.
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I've removed Elizabeth Marten (unconfirmed) as James' first wife, as it now seems likely she was not. Back to square one!
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James' baptism certificate is now available on Ancestry. (Does that say 'Illegitimate' under father's profession?)
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Yes, it does.
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Did you get the 1862 death cert for Elizabeth Brown?
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No, not yet Merry.

My current theory is:

Births Dec 1861
BROWN John Edwin Clifton 6a 135

Deaths Mar 1863
BROWN John Edward Clifton 6a 107


...are the same child, James' son with his first wife. The details for these on FamilySearch list James and Elizabeth Brown as the parents. He later had a son by the same name with his second wife, who is:

Births Jun 1867
Brown John Edward Clifton 6a 153


I have a scan of John Edward's birth certificate sent by a relative. His parents were James and James' second wife, Emma Elizabeth Cowley.

James' marriage certificate to Emma (April 22nd 1866) does list him as a widower (and mason) and her as a spinster. The father's name is given as William Brown, but we can be fairly sure he was a bastard.

Between 1863 (the first John Edward's death) and 1867 (the year after James re-married) there are four deaths for an Elizabeth Brown in the Clifton district:

Deaths Mar 1863
BROWN Elizabeth Clifton 6a 121

Deaths Jun 1863
Brown Elizabeth Clifton 6a 93

Deaths Mar 1864
BROWN Elizabeth Bonbonous Clifton 6a 66

Deaths Dec 1865
Brown Elizabeth Clifton 6a 61


This is of course assuming that Elizabeth was her real / first name, and she died in the Clifton area.

However, chances are that one of these is James' first wife.
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Deaths Mar 1863
BROWN Elizabeth Clifton 6a 121 AGED 83

Deaths Jun 1863
Brown Elizabeth Clifton 6a 93 AGED 16

Deaths Mar 1864
BROWN Elizabeth Bonbonous Clifton 6a 66 AGED 30

Deaths Dec 1865
Brown Elizabeth Clifton 6a 61 AGED 6

I'm sure I looked at Elizabeth Bonbonous before.......
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Yes I saw this on an Ancestry tree, so don't know how correct it is:

Elizabeth Bonbonus Simonds

Birth:* 21 Aug 1832 - Hampshire, England
Death:* Jan 1864 - Clifton, Gloucestershire, England
Marriage:* 11 Apr 1861 - Stoke Bishop, Gloucestershire, England
Spouse:* Samuel Brown

So, wrong husband and wrong maiden name, so not looking good.
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The 1861 marriage for that couple has her middle name spelled Boubonous
* in the GRO index.

So, we can rule out all the Clifton deaths unless he married a 16 year old or a pensioner!
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