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02-04-11, 07:24
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MFMFF: David Pickles 1787-1841
Name - David Pickles
Date and place of birth - 3 Oct 1787 Names of parents - John Pickles of Cowling and Mary his wife Date and place of baptism - 18 September 1792, St. Andrews Kildwick Details of each of his or her marriages - 14 March 1816 to Martha Shackleton, St. Andrews Kildwick Ancestry (transcription) FindMyPast (image) Bachelor and spinster, he signs, she makes her mark. The witnesses are Peter Watson and William Smith. Occupation(s) - weaver [at marriage and 1841 census] Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK) - New Road Side, Cowling, Yorkshire 1841 census Name: David Pickles Age: 50 Registration district: Skipton Sub-registration district: Kildwick Piece: 1317 Book: 4 Folio: 12 Page Number: 16 Ancestry David Pickles 50 Martha Pickles 45 Robert Pickles 20 Stephen Pickles 15 Date, place and cause of death - 22 November 1841 aged 54 probably Cowling, cause unknown There must be a death cert for him. I should get it. Date and place of burial - 24 November 1841, Kildwick Church FindMyPast Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable - unknown Memorial inscription - Kildwicke Church, the Pickles grave: Mary, wife of John Pickles of Cowling, who departed this life 3.11.1822 aged 74 years the above named John Pickles who departed this life 15.11.1829 aged 66 years David Pickles, son of the above, who died 22.11.1841* aged 54 Martha his widow who died 1845 aged 54 years Ann, wife of Robert Pickles who died May 11th 1845 aged 23 years the said Robert Pickles who died 28.11.1878 aged 59 I am indebted to his other descendant known by her user name Alison on this forum for the memorial inscription she obtained personally from the gravestone. *I've taken the liberty of changing the date of David Pickles' death from 22.11.1829 to 22.11.1841. I can only assume this was a typo, or perhaps due to the fact of a very faded engraving. In any case I now have the image of the burial record from St Andrews Kildwick dated 24.11.1841, and also he was present on the 1841 census taken on 6 June. ================================================== ======== The rest of this entry is what I originally posted. I was quite clueless at the time. Many thanks to all who have helped me along the way, especially Elizabeth who took me by the hand and led me gently away from Heptonstall where there was nothing for me to find. Nor was Mary Holoron or Holoran ever mine. A lot of the other information is good, but I know a lot more now than I did before. I am somewhat doubtful of the marriage Elizabeth found in post #12 for David's parents but that is a topic for another thread. Link to their son Robert: MFMF Robert Pickles ================================================== ======== Name - unknown, father of Robert Pickles Date and place of birth - 1800-1810? WRY? (RD Skipton, but this birth would precede the 1836 Act) FMP has 2 plausible births for the son Robert Pickles in Heptonstall, 1829 and 1832. (I can't view them.) Robert's daughter Emma was b 1854. Names of parents - unknown Date and place of baptism - * Details of each of his or her marriages - unknown Occupation(s) - unknown Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK) - probably West Riding of Yorkshire, possibly Lancashire Date, place and cause of death - unknown Date and place of burial - unknown Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable - unknown Memorial inscription - unknown MFM was Emma Pickles. Regardless of what is said on 1881 census (Sutton-in-Craven), I think she is from Cowling, which is Skipton. Born 1854. I do believe my mother told me her father's mother's people were from Skipton. Among the 12 faces on MF/MM wedding photo are two labeled "Uncle David" and "Aunt Ann" by MF. If there were 6 from the groom's side and 6 from the bride's side, then David and Ann are MF's family (I know who the rest are, and 6 are MM's side). Ann looks very much like MFM in same photo, so I'm guessing these are MFM's brother and sister? So I think I'm looking for siblings Emma, David and Ann born in the right time period to the same mother with surname Pickles in Skipton. It seems I found an Ann, don't remember where, b 29 May 1857. In 1881 I have a David Pickles in Cowling b 1844 with wife Sarah and children including "Francis Robt. Pickles". My family photos include a Sarah Pickles, labeled by my mother as "wife of David, mother of Frank". David's birth may actually have been registered in Sep Q 1843. Emma b Mar Q 1854. MFF and MFM James Berry-Emma Pickles marriage was June Q 1874 in Settle (FreeBMD). In 1871 census, i.e., prior to this marriage, there is Emma Pickles age 17 living with her father Robert Pickles in Cowling, along with a Mary Driver also age 17. In 1881 census Emma and James Berry are living together with their two children Walter and Maggie in Sutton (Keighley). But the marriage breaks up. In 1891 census, Walter is living with James; Emma is nearby with Maggie and a boarder the same age as Emma, by the name of Mary Haigh. Are you curious? I got curious. Yes, Mary Driver married William Haigh in Huddersfield Dec Q 1874 (9a 491). Emma and Mary are back together again. I think I am happy for them. By the 1901 census, I find an Emma Berry of the right age living with a Pickles family in Cowling. Head of household is Frederick Pickles, and I know that there was a Fred Pickles in my family. So I would say the Emma in 1871 with father Robert Pickles is definitely my MFM. Now, who is Robert's father? Thanks in advance for any and all help! P.S. I found a marriage of Robert Pickles and Mary Holoron/Holoran in Dec Q 1853 Skipton 9a 87. It appears that Emma's mother was Irish, but that's a story for another day and another thread! P.P.S. Yes, I am going to get some certificates. *MF/MM's marriage certificate (1900 Leeds) says ceremony was Wesleyan Methodist. Not sure which side was, or if both were, Wesleyan, nor how many generations back that might go. Last edited by Janet; 07-09-16 at 13:51. Reason: The picture has become clear with new information and improved researching skills. 
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02-04-11, 07:47
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Janet, why are you looking at Heptonstall for births? Is there any particular reason?
What do you know about Robert Pickles otherwise? Do you have an approximate year of birth? I must admit I'm confused!
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02-04-11, 09:02
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Is this Robert Pickles and family in 1861?
1861 Census PICKLES, Robert SKIPTON, Yorkshire (West Riding) RG09 piece 3186 folio 28 page 4 PICKLES Robert Head Widower M 41 1820 Warehouseman Cowling Yorkshire PICKLES David Son Unmarried M 17 1844 Worsted Weaver Power Cowling Yorkshire PICKLES, Ann Daughter Unmarried F 15 1846 House Servant Cowling Yorkshire PICKLES, Emma Daughter F 7 1854 Scholar Cowling Yorkshire EDMONDSON, James Boarder Widower M 26 1835 Joiner Cowling This is the address: Road Side, Cowling County: Yorkshire (West Riding)
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02-04-11, 09:35
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This Robert Pickles was born in 1820, so it is probable his father was born prior to 1800.
In 1851 Robert already seems to be a widower and the children aren't with him. Perhaps he married again after 1851 and Emma was the result of a 2nd marriage. 1851 Census PICKLES, Robert SKIPTON, Yorkshire (West riding) HO107 piece 2278 folio 408 page 38 PICKLES, Robert Lodger Widower M 31 1820 Warehouseman Cowling He's lodging with the Smith family at Kildwick, just up the road from Cowling. Little David Pickles, aged 7, is a bobbin winder, poor little soul. 1851 Census PICKLES, David SKIPTON, Yorkshire (West riding) HO107 piece 2278 folio 429 page 11 FORT, Tempest Head Widower M 44 1807 Shoemaker Sutton Yorkshire FORT, Hannah Daughter Unmarried F 20 1831 Hand Loom Weaver (Cotton) Cowling Yorkshire FORT, Mary Daughter Unmarried F 17 1834 Hand Loom Weaver (Worsted) Cowling Yorkshire FORT, Elizabeth Daughter F 11 1840 Hand Loom Weaver (Cotton) Cowling Yorkshire FORT, Smith Son M 12 1839 Shoemakers Son Cowling Yorkshire PICKLES, David M 7 1844 Bobbin Winder Cowling Yorkshire HEY, Mary Visitor Married F 57 1794 Housekeeper Bradford Yorkshire Ann is nursed out: 1851 Census PICKLES, Ann SKIPTON, Yorkshire (West riding) HO107 piece 2278 folio 371 page 6 WHITAKER, James Head Married M 45 1806 Hand Loome Weaver Wor Cowling Yorkshire WHITAKER, Ann Wife Married F 41 1810 Hand Loome Weaver Wor Cowling Yorkshire WHITAKER, Martha Daughter F 18 1833 Power Loome Weaver Cowling Yorkshire WHITAKER, John Son M 15 1836 Laborer Cowling Yorkshire WHITAKER, Elisabeth Daughter F 14 1837 Power Loom Weaver Cowling Yorkshire WHITAKER, Smith Son M 9 1842 Cowling Yorkshire WHITAKER, Heaton Son Child M 0 (11 MOS) 1851 Cowling Yorkshire PICKLES, Ann F 5 1846 Cowling Yorkshire At nurse
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02-04-11, 10:02
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Quote:
There are 2 possible deaths in Skipton district before 1861 for a Mary Pickles.
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02-04-11, 10:13
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There's a baptism at Kildwick, which as Elizabeth points out is just up the road from Cowling of a Robert Pickles
9th July 1820 Robert Pickles, parents David & Martha. As it looks like Robert had been married twice, according to the census we need to get his marriage certs to confirm his father's name, which will hopefully be David. I think these are his marriages Marriages Dec 1841 EMMOTT Anne Skipton 23 545 EMMOTT James Skipton 23 545 HINDLE John Skipton 23 545 PADDLETON Mary Skipton 23 545 >>>> PICKLES Robert Skipton 23 545 RUSHTON Hannah Skipton 23 545 SMITH Rose Skipton 23 545 WATSON William Skipton 23 545 Marriages Dec 1853 Hannan John Skipton 9a 87 Holoran Mary Skipton 9a 87 Holoron Mary Skipton 9a 87 >>>> Pickles Robert Skipton 9a 87 There's a bride missing here & im just trying to work out who she was. The Robert baptised at Kildwick is living with his parents in 1841 1841 Cowling HO107 piece 1317 folio 12 page 16 David Pickles 50 Weaver born in County Martha Pickles 45 born in County Robert Pickles 20 born in County Stephen Pickles 15 born in County
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02-04-11, 10:53
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There is this death:
David Pickles Dec qr 1841 Skipton 23 399 This is a possible baptism for David Pickles senior: Name: David Pickles Gender: Male Baptism/Christening Date: 18 Sep 1792 Baptism/Christening Place: KILDWICK,YORK,ENGLAND Birth Date: 03 Oct 1787 Father's Name: John Pickles Mother's Name: Mary Indexing Project (Batch) Number: J01001-4 System Origin: England-ODM Source Film Number: 919148 However, you need to buy some certificates before you go to fast down this path!
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02-04-11, 10:54
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The marriage of David and Martha:
Groom's Name: David Pickles Groom's Birth Date: Groom's Birthplace: Groom's Age: Bride's Name: Martha Shackleton Bride's Birth Date: Bride's Birthplace: Bride's Age: Marriage Date: 14 Mar 1816 Marriage Place: Kildwick,York,England
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02-04-11, 10:56
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There is a death for a Martha Pickles:
Mar qr 1845 Skipton 23 476
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