Grandfather st Helens 1871 - Page 17 - Genealogists' Forum

Merry · #1 11-05-21, 07:26

The army records for Edward Burrows K17212 are on Ancestry.

They give his next of kin as Ellen Sumner (grandmother) of 21 Chorley Road, Heath Charnock, Lancs.

In 1911 he is living with his widowed grandmother, Ellen Rothwell nee Moss. I haven't found a remarriage for Ellen, but on that 1911 census there is a boarder named Edward Summer who she could have married or cohabited with.

We know Edward was born about Sept 1897. On the first page of the army papers it states he was aged 19 yrs 113 dates (dodgy writing for the days, could be 173) on 21 Sept 1914. That would suggest a birth date of about May/June 1895 or a bit earlier.

However, on the following page it says he was discharged 22 Jul 1915 under para 392 (vi) King's Regulations which is "(vi) Having made a mis-statement as to age on enlistment". Also, there is an address recorded for discharge which is the same as Ellen's except number 61 not 21. Up until this point he was only posted as far as Kingsbridge Devon and Swanage Dorset, where he was punished for misdemeanours - laughing in the ranks on parade and absent from a route march. For some reason Ancestry has the doc in the Army Pension records, but I can't see that can be correct!

Qwackers · #2 11-05-21, 07:40

hi ,I found a marriage on family of rothwell to thomas sumner 1920 in ormskirk it doesn't give first name .of rothwell . could this be her ?

Merry · #3 11-05-21, 07:45

Not quite following you there, but do you mean this one (FreeBMD)?

Marriages Sep 1920 (>99%)
Heywood Sarah E A Smyth Ormskirk 8b 2011
Rothwell Hilda Sumner Ormskirk 8b 2011
Smyth Frederick H Heywood Ormskirk 8b
Sumner Thomas Rothwell Ormskirk 8b 2011

Qwackers · #4 11-05-21, 07:50

Hi ,Sorry ,The marriage is 1920 in ormskirk on family search ,it says rothwell not with a first name but spouse thomas sumner .

Qwackers · #5 11-05-21, 07:57

hi ,checked Lancs bmd ,and a hilda rothwell married thomas sumner in1920 ormskirk so that's not her

Qwackers · #6 11-05-21, 08:02

so it may not be my edward ?

Merry · #7 11-05-21, 08:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qwackers

so it may not be my edward ?

I don't understand you?

Qwackers · #8 11-05-21, 08:03

Edwards Paternal grandmother was ellen rothwell nee moss , who he was with on the 1911 census .

Qwackers · #9 11-05-21, 08:13

i can't find a marriage for ellen rothwell to a sumner , as i'm trying to link the name with edward . but like you i can't find the link . so the record for edward may not belong to our edward .

Merry · #10 11-05-21, 08:18

What if she was cohabiting with the boarder? Maybe that's why they moved to Heath Charnock?

Remember the army record you found said Edward was b in Skelmersdale and we know the same Edward was lying about his age in 1914 and had a grandmother called Ellen and a connection to a Mr Summer/Sumner.