Land and copyhold and stuff - Genealogists' Forum

Merry · #1 22-02-10, 09:52

link to this thread added to Wm M on BK6

I've just been looking at this:

http://blars.adlibsoft.com/wwwopac.exe?DATABASE=catalo>items&LANGUAGE=0&DEBUG =0&BRIEFADAPL=../web/adapls/wwwreq&DETAILADAPL=../web/adapls/wwwreq&%250=400041927&LIMIT=50

My interest is in the Maynard Family.

I keep reading the above transcribed doc but it goes in one ear (eye?!) and out the other without anything happening inbetween

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Towards the end it mentions Nathan Maynard and his father William. Which of those two dates is the date of death of William? Neither of them make any sense to me.

Please could someone explain in simple terms what this doc is about?

Merry · #2 22-02-10, 09:53

Sorry, that link does work if you copy and paste it, don't know why it won't hyperlink

Terri · #3 22-02-10, 10:12

Strewth!
It reads (to me) that the death of the father was in 1802, but then what is the 1776 all about?
What does the word "admitted" mean in this context? I mean, it is different to the normal "owned up to" sort of admitted?

Guinevere · #4 22-02-10, 10:15

William owned some land that was copyhold to an owner (often the Lord of the Manor). When copyholders die the land is "surrendered" back to the Manor but their heirs can inherit the land for a fee paid and are thus admitted to the land.

William died prior to 20 Oct 1776 which was the date when Nathan was admitted.

Is that what you wanted?

Terri · #5 22-02-10, 10:17

....
(on surr
of Nath Maynard who was admitted
20 Oct 1776 on death of his father
Wm Maynard 13 Oct. 1802 ...

Father's death was 1776 then, it has to be ... not sure what the 1802 means

Guinevere · #6 22-02-10, 10:18

That's when the land commissioners stuck their oars in.

Olde Crone · #7 22-02-10, 10:19

I'm wondering if those two dates have been transposed, although as you say, neither date makes sense!

Basically, the document is setting out who has an interest in this land - the owner, the occupiers, the mortgagers, the mortgagees, the copyholders.

I am childishly amused that they were Barratts, no prizesfor guessing what they did with the land!

OC

Merry · #8 22-02-10, 10:29

*Glares at OC*.

Gwynne, if you think Wm died some time before that first date, then that would be possible, but it was some years before.......

William Maynard died between 13th May 1765 (when he wrote his will) and 27th Feb 1766 (when the will was proved).

Eldest son, Nathan, was probably born about 1742 and died in 1822. He ended up as an ag lab whilst William was a yeoman farmer in the will.

William has no burial, marriage or baptism that I can find (the only appearence he makes is to write his will). None of his children appear to have been baptised and whilst I know roughly when his wife (name not known) died, I don't have a burial, or possible burial, for her either.

I have been looking at this family (rather blankly, it has to be said) for 20 years and haven't progressed backwards one jot so far!

Guinevere · #9 22-02-10, 11:15

Ten years is a long time, maybe it's a mistranscription?

Oakum Picker · #10 22-02-10, 11:16

I read it that Nathan was admitted to the land in 1776 & surrendered his right to it in 1802 which is probably why he ended up as an Ag. Lab.

I don't know about this area in particular but it was about this time that Enclosure was happening & many small farmers could not afford the cost so surrendered their land.