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Old 14-05-22, 19:21
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No, but she had a son Thomas but his father was named as Thomas William Palmer solicitor he isn't on 1861 I assumed he died never pinned him down he could of course be using the name Wingfield or Palmer!

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...NTI1NTIzNjYuMA..

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...NTI1NTIzOTkuMA..

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Old 14-05-22, 19:33
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Does Thomas Wm Palmer, solicitor exist?
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Old 14-05-22, 19:35
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Does Thomas Wm Palmer, solicitor exist?
No idea but I doubt it we did look before and I have looked but nothing. I think its pointless this lot are such liars.

It's surprising how common the Wingfield name is in Bethnal Green and Hackney and Palmer well that's same.
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Old 14-05-22, 21:48
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Seems quite a shift between Frederick Palmer, seaman and Thomas William Palmer, solicitor? Were those names used once each, but there was another uregistered child? (Sorry to keep asking questions but not coming through with any answers!)
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Old 14-05-22, 22:24
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Father named as Thomas William Palmer - Solicitor

Thomas William Palmer Wingfield/Thomas William Palmer Palmer
BIRTH 13 AUGUST 1846 • 2 Albion Place, Hackney Road, Bethnal Green, London
DEATH Uknown

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No father named

Emma Palmer Wingfield
BIRTH 29 JAN 1850 • 5 Dunston Street, Shoreditch, London
DEATH 22 FEB 1850 • 5 Dunston Street, Shoreditch, London

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No birth registration found but noted on census surname Palmer

Louisa Jane Palmer
BIRTH ABT 1852 • Shoreditch, London, England
DEATH 20 DEC 1862 • 33 Ware Street, Kingsland Road, Hackney, London

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Father named as Frederick Palmer - 2nd Mate Merchant Service

Emma Anne Palmer
BIRTH 11 FEBRUARY 1857 • 32 Dunston Street, Shoreditch, London
DEATH Unknown

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Old 14-05-22, 23:30
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No, but she had a son Thomas but his father was named as Thomas William Palmer solicitor he isn't on 1861 I assumed he died never pinned him down he could of course be using the name Wingfield or Palmer!

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...NTI1NTIzNjYuMA..

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...NTI1NTIzOTkuMA..

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...NTI1NTIyOTAuMA..
I'm thinking this might be Thomas Wm Palmer jr in 1861 (8 lines from the bottom):

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...ue&pId=5596882

I was actually just browsing Dunston St, but hadn't realised I was looking at New Dunston Street!
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Old 15-05-22, 08:57
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Oh, maybe not, as this could easily be the same Thomas Wm, same occupation, but he has brothers

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...bc2&pId=206002
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This is the 1911 family in 1871 so obviously this isn't your Thomas aged 25:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...f&pId=11655894

I would have liked to have found them in 1861 to see if their son was not at home to help prove he was the one in New Dunston Street, but of course I can't find them! (could be part of missing records?).
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Old 15-05-22, 09:32
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This is the birth reg for the butcher's son:

PALMER, THOMAS MOORE
GRO Reference: 1846 J Quarter in HOLBORN UNION Volume 02 Page 167

So, no middle name but he is Thomas William at his baptism:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...bc&pId=2032564

There's a marriage in 1844 for the parents, Thomas and Ann, though Thomas is a cheesemonger rather than a butcher. I think it's the right one as birth regs for some of the other sons (Harry and George) have mmn Moore.

Given this boy was eventually given the middle name William, I would imagine that is him in New Dunston Street in 1861. I will have one more look for the rest of his family in 1861......
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Oh, maybe not, as this could easily be the same Thomas Wm, same occupation, but he has brothers

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...bc2&pId=206002

Yep just seen that, I remember finding a Thomas William Palmer Butcher.

I think his parents were Thomas and Ann Moore, most of the children were born in St Giles though not Shoreditch

PALMER, THOMAS MOORE
GRO Reference: 1846 J Quarter in HOLBORN UNION Volume 02 Page 167

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/...try&h=14644390

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