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Old 22-07-18, 14:33
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When Joseph Marshall (shoemaker) married Margaret Robinson in 1847 at Christ Church Southport, he correctly named his father as John Marshall, but said he was a shoemaker, same as Ann did for her father 'Richard' Marshall.
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Oh, lol!! I have looked at the 1841 census for John Marshall and his family several times today, but never noticed he was listed as a shoemaker!
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And you have shoemaker as well as farmer on the ToGG entry for John.

So, it's just that annoying first name that is wrong for Ann's father. Another need for a time machine to see how things panned out at the wedding.
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Thanks for that, Merry. I thought I'd seen shoemaker somewhere in this family but I hadn't put it on my tree as one of John's occupations. It's a while since I looked at the Marshalls. I do think the marriage cert must be wrong.
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Ann Marshall made her mark on the marriage certificate, so she wouldn't have noticed if father's name was wrong. James and Ann's first son was named John and their second daughter Jane, with second son being James and first daughter Alice after James's parents. No son named Richard.

But John Marshall did have an elder brother named Richard, about a year older than him. I don't seem to have traced him after his baptism (11 Nov 1798). I wonder whether the vicar or clerk could have got John confused with his brother.
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This looks likely to be John Marshall's brother Richard in 1851, a farmer in Formby. Two of his children are named Joseph and Margaret, so he would fit. His children are down as born in Ainsdale and there isn't a daughter Ann with them on this census (though of course that doesn't mean they didn't have an Ann.)
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Interesting.

This might be Richard (1851):

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Cross-posted!
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Snap!

And in 1841, no daughter Ann then either:
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Old 22-07-18, 16:34
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No.

Richard's marriage:

Marriage: 15 Jul 1833 St Mary, Walton on the Hill, Lancashire, England
Richard Marshall - Farmer, this Parish
Ann Norris - Spinster, this Parish
Witness: Philip Norris; John Rimmer
Married by Banns by: Jno. Swainson, Curate
Register: Marriages 1823 - 1837, Page 119, Entry 241
Source: LDS Film 1647985

I checked the GRO birth reg for their son Philip, b 1840 mmn Norris.
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