Charlotte Searle

[kiterunner]

I've downloaded William Thomas Searle's Navy record from TNA but it doesn't have any info about home address or family.

[kiterunner]

But, ooooh.... remember Charlotte Hopkins who was at the same address where my Charlotte should have been in 1901?

What about this family in 1891?
14 Hermes St, Clerkenwell
Thomas Hopkins Head M 45 Piano Forte Tuner NK
Charlotte Do Wife M 45 London Clerkenwell
Charlotte Do Daur 10 Scholar Do Do
Frederick Do Son 14 Errand Boy Do Do
Lucy Do Daur 6 Scholar Do Do.

Hermes Street is right near White Lion Street, so she would easily have been able to stay at the same school if they moved there from Henry St.

[Merry]

I tried to do that

[kiterunner]

Never mind, Merry, you sorted William Searle out for me. I'd never thought of him being an engineer in the Navy.


Now, Lucy Searle went to White Lion Street School, admission date 14 Dec 1891, date of birth 11 Sep 1884, address 14 Hermes Street, father's name Thomas! So this is definitely the right family. Now, how to explain it to Charlotte's descendants...

Though, I suppose we still need to find out what name(s) they were registered under and what Charlotte sr's maiden name was!

Thanks for your help, Merry.

[HarrysMum]

Kite......as Merry (and a few others) can attest....I have been ill for a couple of weeks. My brain is functioning even less well than usual....lol

However, I'm happy to search (as long as you don't tell OH how many subs I now have).

Please let me know what you are looking for and I'll sit here all day looking for you.....

In other words, just don't expect me to work out what needs to be found...lol

[Merry]

I tried cross referencing the possible birth regs for Charlotte and Lucy but couldn't find any with matching surnames. Didn't help that Lucy doesn't have the same place of birth in 1891 and 1901.

[kiterunner]

Originally Posted by HarrysMum

Kite......as Merry (and a few others) can attest....I have been ill for a couple of weeks. My brain is functioning even less well than usual....lol

However, I'm happy to search (as long as you don't tell OH how many subs I now have).

Please let me know what you are looking for and I'll sit here all day looking for you.....

In other words, just don't expect me to work out what needs to be found...lol

Sorry to hear you're not well, Libby, hope you're better soon.

As for what we're looking for, it's birth registrations (and / or baptisms) for three children:
Frederick born about 1877-8 Clerkenwell (possible date of birth from school records 20 Nov 1878. but this would make his age on the 1881 census a bit out)
Charlotte born 20 Apr 1882 York Road, King's Cross, which could be Holborn registration district or Islington, or could be born Clerkenwell.
Lucy born 11 Sep 1884 Clerkenwell or Pancras.
Their surnames could be Searle, Hopkins, or whatever their mother's maiden name was, but we don't know what that was! Her first name is Charlotte but the father could be down as William Thomas Searle or Thomas Hopkins.

And maybe a marriage between their mother Charlotte and Thomas Hopkins, but I'm not sure when that is likely to be - I found a likely for Thomas in 1881 and he was married with no wife, so they may have already been married by then or maybe not.

[HarrysMum]

So Lucy started school as Lucy SEARLE? Would she have needed a BC?

I'm presuming so otherwise she would have started as Hopkins (from census) and nobody would have been any the wiser.

I've searched Ancestry, FreeBMD, FMP and GR (hoping for her on someone's tree)
There just doesn't seem to be anything.
Can't find probable births tying the three children together.
Checked marriages for any combination of Searle with Charlotte, Hopkins with Charlotte,
Willima, Thomas, NUFFINK!!!

[HarrysMum]

Just checking 1901 for Charlotte.

One is in Birmingham, but she's there with her mother, Charlotte and brother Frederick, both Fred and Charlotte born London. Bit hard as Mum and Fred are in London 1901

The other is in Leicester but she's step-daughter and it's mistranscribed as born London...

I'll put them here just in case someone else thinks they've found her..lol

Could this be Thomas Hopkins and Charlotte's marriage:-

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search...80&action=Find