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Old 26-11-10, 22:33
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Name - John Patrick McCrohon

Date and place of birth: May 1795, St John's Parish, Limerick, Ireland

Names of parents: John McCrohon and Margaret Unknown

Date and place of baptism - Unknown

Details of each of his or her marriages - married Amelia (Emily) du Croix at St Thomas, Winchester Hampshire (Unconfirmed)

Date of marriage: 23/06/1826 (Unconfirmed)

Occupation(s) - Sergeant Major; 4th Regiment of Foot, Lancaster King's Own Regiment: Served in Portugal and occupied France after Waterloo. Regiment posted to garrison duty in NSW 1832 - 1837 (Some researchers claim he was a Quartermaster. Not easy to verify as the regimental records were largely destroyed.)
NSW Constabulary: 1837-39. Appointed Chief Constable at Paterson NSW, 23/7/1838

Addresses where they lived: East Maitland, NSW

Date, place and cause of death: May 6, 1839, thrown from his horse on the road between Maitland and Paterson, NSW while on duty.

Date and place of burial. Buried at Glebe Cemetery

Details of will / administration of their estate - Unknown
Memorial inscription - Unknown
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Old 26-11-10, 23:08
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Ammanda, I have John's Military Service Records - he enlisted at Cueta, Africa 25 May 1810 at 15 years of age. His service ended on 8 Feb 1837 in Australia. From 5 April 1819 until 1 April 1826 he served in the West Indies. He was a Sergeant for 8 years and 55 days and Quarter Master Sergeant for 5 years and 106 days.
I was looking for their marriage in Portgual/France, so that information, although unsubstantiated, is news to me. Thanks Julie
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Old 27-11-10, 14:29
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Julie: The information was given to me by a Cantwell researcher. They did not give me any documentation so I cannot verify. According to the researcher John was posted back to England, a base in Hampshire, and he and Emily were married there.
I would be glad of a copy of his service record. Thanks, A
btw did you get my email with the copy of the church register for the Gray/Dillon marriage?
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Old 27-11-10, 17:03
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That marriage date would appear to be for this entry, from the FS pilot site:

Groom's Name: John Mccrohon
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
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Bride's Name: Emily Banham
Bride's Birth Date:
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Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 23 Jun 1826
Marriage Place: Saint Thomas,Winchester,Hampshire,England
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Bride's Father's Name:
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Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
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Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M13675-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 1041222
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Collection: England Marriages, 1538–1973

but the bride has a different surname. Might she have been previously married?
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Old 28-11-10, 01:56
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As far as I know Emily was not previously married. It seems to me that the other researcher has made an error. McCrohon is not a common name but one branch of the family moved to England, and still lives there, and this John is probably one of from that group.
Thanks for looking, Merry, and clearing up that question. Back to the drawing board.
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Old 28-11-10, 08:59
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Merry, From the marriage reigster, would it be possible to see the original entry, or would you need to buy a certificate, in case there is a mistake with transciption of Emily's surname?
As he was in the military from age 15, would he have needed Official Permission to marry? Would there be records?
Thanks Ammanda have received the Gray cert I will pm you. Julie
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It's too early for a civil certificate (1837+) but you could get a copy of the Parish Register entry from the Hampshire RO, for a fee!

Otherwise, you should also check the Chaplains Returns marriages (overseas ones and I think they may include some UK army marriages as well) if you haven't already (they are on FMP 1796-1880, but you'll need a sub) and bear in mind both their surnames are open to being listed under different letters of the alphabet!!

I'm not sure about the permission bit. Certainly at various times one needed permission from a commanding officer to marry, but I think sometimes it made a difference what rank you were and at what time in history you were marrying. Plus of course, needing permission didn't mean that permission was always sought!
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As he was in the military from age 15, would he have needed Official Permission to marry? Would there be records?
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Ammanda, I have John's Military Service Records

If there was a record of permission, his army papers would be the place to look, so if it's not there.................
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I found a record of the birth of one child to John McCrohon and Emily
Henry William Mccrohon
11 Apr 1832
St. Mary's, Chatham, Kent, England
There may be more but it was late when I found this one.
It seems that there was a John and Emily in England and they were still there in 1832.
Thanks for the help. A
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Old 28-11-10, 16:43
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I found a record of the birth of one child to John McCrohon and Emily
Henry William Mccrohon
11 Apr 1832
St. Mary's, Chatham, Kent, England
There may be more but it was late when I found this one.
It seems that there was a John and Emily in England and they were still there in 1832.
When did yours go to Australia? I had assumed Henry Wm was theirs, particularly being born in Chatham.

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Amelia (Emily) du Croix
Do you have her birthplace or parentage?
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