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23-04-15, 22:57
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There are some records for railway workers online; on Ancestry, I think.
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24-04-15, 06:59
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Yes, but they don't include labourers.
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14-06-15, 20:15
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My apologies for bringing this up again, but I have just been tidying some papers and found this:
Robert Holding m Ellen ? Their children baptised RG4 -1469 Methodists Preston 22 Sept 1813/20 Oct 1813 Thomas b Longton 14 Dec 1818/12 Jan 1819 Joseph b Farington, Penwortham 8 Feb 1824/18 April 1824 JAMES b Penwortham. Now, this probably isn't MY James, who consistently said born Wheelton/Chorley, father James, BUT it could possibly be the one who married Ruth Patefield and said his father was Robert! GRRRRRR. I can't find a marriage for Robert Holding to Ellen but assume before 1813. Please can anyone see any of these people in 1851, so that I can rule them out! (This is what comes of tidying up, you see. I have a horrid feeling James may have pushed the box over deliberately) Thankyou. OC
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#34
14-06-15, 21:37
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This is the 1841 census entry:
1841 census on ancestry Turnpike Lane, Penwortham, Lancashire Robert Holding 55 Farmer Y Ellen Do 50 Y Joseph Do 20 Y James Do 15 Y - Ellen Cottam 12 FS Y (Robert Holden is a farmer on James's baptism, on the image on ancestry.)
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#35
14-06-15, 21:41
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This could be that James in 1851:
1851 census on ancestry Little Scotland, Blackrod, Lancashire James Atherton Head M 64 Engineer at Colliery Lancs Adlington Betty Do Wife M 60 Do Standish James Holding Lodger M 26 Farm Labourer Do Farington
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#36
14-06-15, 21:45
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Possible marriage for him? (from Lancs OPC)
23 May 1850 at St Mary the Virgin, Bury James Holding, full age, carter, bachelor, Holcome Hey Alice Longworth, full age, spinster, Holcome Hey Fathers Robert Holding, farmer, and Joseph Hutchinson, weaver. Need to find more to confirm it though, since his wife isn't with him in 1851.
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#37
14-06-15, 22:08
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Found this massive family in 1851; some of the ages aren't very clear as they have thick lines through them:
1851 census Robert Holden Head Mar 66 Farmer of 91 Acres Lancashire Weeton Ellen Do Wife Mar 62 Do Esbrick Thomas Do Son Mar 39(?) Do Longton Joseph Do Son Mar 33(?) Do Farrington Magdalene Dother in Law Mar 40(?) Do Freckleton Mariah Do Doughter in Law Mar 30 Do Borskow William Do Grand Son 12 Scholar Do Farrington Robert Do Do Son 10 Do Do Layland Thomas Do Do Son 8 Do Do Farrington Sarah Ellen Do Do Daur 6 Do Do Farrington James Do Do Son 4 Do Darwen Joseph Do Do Son 2 Do Winmarleigh Henry Do Do Son 5 Do Farrington Elenar Do Do Daur 4 Do Farrington Elisabeth Do Do Daur 3 Do Farrington Robert Do Do Son 7 months Do Winmarleigh James Jackson Servant U 40 Farm Servant Do Layland William Higham Do U 24 Do Do Do John Boulton Do U 25 Do Do Tarleton William Cookson Do U 22 Do Do Do Ann Lilley House Serv U 13 House Servant Lancashire Ruston
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#38
14-06-15, 22:12
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Looking back at post #19, the James who married Ruth Patefield said his father was Robert Holden, labourer, so probably not the same one.
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#39
14-06-15, 22:33
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Oh, thankyou so much Kate - I've been trapped on the phone for an hour, sorry.
Oh dear, what to make of post #37, Robert Holden b WEETON - surely not a misspelling for Wheelton! However, the James Holden above who married Alice Longworth in 1850, his father Robert Holding, can't be the one who married Ruth Patefield, as he married her in 1849 and she died in 1856. So that does seem to leave Ruth Patefield in the running after all. OC
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