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The Stepney one is interesting. The father was a scrivener and the mother was Anne Summers, a widow. They married in 1677 and that would potentially put Samuel in the same sort of age range as Giles senior. That baptism and burial is the only child I've found for the couple. That makes him a candidate to be the chap who wrote the 1725 will, especially as his kinswoman Elizabeth Flower is in Stepney. |
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May 17. 133. Petition of Giles Theyer to the Committees for the Par- liament. That he being possessor of a team in Beckenham was obliged to disburse 51. 3s. 4d. to redeem his team of horses, they being seized for non-payment of the l0d. tax levied on that parish; the deficiency was caused by inability to collect the sum assessed on Dr. Skynner, late rector of that parish, who was then under sequestration. Older having been passed by the Committee that money disbursed for taxes unpaid of lands in sequestration shall be allowed out of the rents from the tenants, or upon account by the Treasurer of Sequestrations. Petitioner being a poor man prays that order may be taken for repayment to him of the said sum, which he cannot afford to lose. Underwritten, 133. I. Ordered that Daniel Shetterden shall repay the money advanced by Giles Theyer. Dorso, 133. II. Receipt by Giles Theyer for 51. 3s. 4d. received of Daniel Shetterden. 18th May 1644. 133. III. Ordered, that as the above-named sum was omitted to be allowed to Mr. Shetterden upon the passing of his former sequestration accounts, the same be allowed to him out of such sequestration money as is now in his hands. I rather like that. He must be too old to be Giles senior, so possibly his father. |
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I've tried a bit harder to identify Elizabeth Flower tonight. On the assumption that being in Stepney, there's a good chance that there would be some trace of her at St Dunstan's and looking for someone with a daughter who appears to survive and a husband who doesn't, I have two candidates:
George Flower m. Elizabeth Nutkins 1683 in Bermondsey (all other events at St Dunstan's) Daughter Grace bapt. 1685 Son Giles bapt. 1686/7 George bur. 1704/5 - musical instrument maker of Ratcliffe Joseph Flower m. Elizabeth Nichols 1694 Son John bapt. 1695/6 Daughter Elizabeth bapt. 1698/9 Joseph bur. 1710 - weaver of Spitalfields (apprentice indenture says he is son of John from Wiltshire - placename looks like Axon) Still none the wiser which it is or if she's the one with the 1747 will. |
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I got a bit over-excited yesterday, but I did look this up:
William Moore of Greenwich, widower married Mary Theyer of this parish, spinster after banns. They could both sign their names and the witnesses were John Hugget and Sarah Theyer - who could also sign their names.
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Giles Thayer
Hi Rick we have some burial records for a few generations of Thayers in Beckenham of Thayers Farm which they may have owned or rented from a larger landowner.
also see www.beckenhamplaceparkfriends.org.uk follow history links for Beckenham. The page is regularly updated. I recently came across the Giles apprenticed to be a joiner etc. The beckenham burials have been transcribed by other parties. The link to Flower may be the Flower family of Flower House, Southend, Lewisham and there may be a link to the Valentine family through Valentine Thayer. We have about 4 different ways of spelling the name as well including Gilles Thaires who married in Chiselhurst to a Katherine Rutledge which may well be connected. |
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