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ellen sherlock b 1905 Everton,Liverpool
Hi - a little complicated
Ellen Sherlock b 1905 - family lived in 87 Rylan Street Everton,Liverpool parents Joseph SHerlock and Ruth Ryder Sutcliffe - they had 6 children in all. .................................................. ............ 1936 Ellen gives birth on 6th March to a girl Birth Certificate states A M Moles - daughter - Father Joseph Moles - mother Ellen Moles - nee Sherlock ....... Father Joseph Moles - Dock Labourer deceased .... so - I can't find NO MARRIAGE - and NO DEATH for Joseph Moles 1935-36 I am convinced Ellen - who obviously registered the baby - told lies - the baby was adopted 5 weeks later and I have her new Birth Certificate in her new name ... So - am I right in thinking I might find Ellen Sherlock in Liverpool - or Birkenhead area in 1939 register - or could she just assume the name Ellen Moles . the only 2 Joseph Moles I can find the right age are born West Ham 1905 - marries West Ham 1934 to Diana Morrison born Islington 1906 - no marriage so did Joseph Moles b 1905 come to Liverpool a year after he married and have a child with Ellen Sherlock and Ellen made up the marriage and his death ? any help appreciated had me up all night ...lol
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10-06-22, 07:18
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1) Is the lady b 1936 still living and is she happy for this thread? 2) Do you think it wold be better on Sensitive Research so the details won't be picked up by Google? I can move the thread...
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10-06-22, 07:20
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1939 Register
Joseph Sherlock M 7 Feb 68 W Retired Heating Engineer Ellen Sherlock F 6 Nov 05 S Cashier Book Keeper Clothing Eveline Sherlock F 20 Sep 98 S Dressmaker 42 Liverpool Road South, Maghull, West Lancashire R.D., Lancashire
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10-06-22, 07:25
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Yes, I found the same 1939 Reg entry. Her dob is also on her baptism at St Saviour's Everton.
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Joanne Skerries co Dublin - A A FINCH - present at birth 139 Hallgrove Road I don't know if she was born on a crossing from Dublin to Liverpool ??? baffles me No Hallgrove road in Liverpool there is a Hall Grove Road in Dublin - quite frankly the writing on the original birth cert is abysmal - the girl was born 6th March - the certificate issued 2nd April - as far as adopted at 5 weeks - that is what her 2 daughters are telling me - might not be a fact . Garston has its market every Friday - and the girls call in for a drink after shopping - they are 66 and 62 - I will see them around 1130 later - as I say they have given me BOTH Birth certs I don't now if this is relevant - I think they are the dates that their mum applied for her birth certs original birth name and parents 2nd february 1978 changed name / adoption 11th October 1971 - I don't think their mum is alive - I will check later . I appreciate your help - I have gone back to 1802 in Liverpool to George Sherlock with Ellen Sherlocks family - easy for me - all on Lan-opc ADDED- that might say to Dublin and not co Dublin ??
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10-06-22, 07:45
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I presume you have something to demonstrate the birth mother is this Ellen in particular?
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10-06-22, 07:48
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Her father, and her daughter's father are both called Joseph. This suggests that Ellen was caught on the spot, and couldn't think of a name for the father, rather than that was his real name. (In a similar circumstance, I've seen a woman name her brother, who I'm fairly sure was not the father)
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10-06-22, 07:51
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I'm still wondering how you know this Ellen b 1905 was the mother and not another Ellen Sherlock. Having said that, I do agree with Phoenix's comment about her using her father's first name for her baby's father, but I still want to be sure you have the right mother!!
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