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Old 05-08-11, 15:27
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Name - James Butcher
Date and place of birth - Berkshire, probably
Names of parents - not sure, there are a couple of of options
Date and place of baptism - unknown
Details of each of his or her marriages - 1)Sarah Munday, 13 Nov 1803, Thatcham, Berkshire 2) Martha Green, 21 Dec 1811, Thatcham, Berkshire
Occupation(s) - Coach Bookee (from marriage licence to Martha Green)
Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK)
Thatcham, Berkshire from 1803 - 1823 the date of last known child's baptism.
Date, place and cause of death - unknown but deceaesdd by 1849 at time of daughter Susannah's marriage
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...ages&h=5758476

Date and place of burial - unknown
Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable
Memorial inscription - if any

Link to his son, James
http://genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum...ead.php?t=6776

at least two other of his children married in London if that's any clue!
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I'll come back later and post the options for his parents but grandchildren want me to play now!
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Ah, Sue, pleased to hear the family is with you.

I looked for burials, but I think I've been down that route before.
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Old 05-08-11, 21:56
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The girls are in bed so I thought I'd do this because if I sit down I'll fall asleep as well! Three days into a 10 day visit and I'm exhausted already....

Ok

There are several people around the world researching James Butcher. Most of them have him as
being b 1776ish to James Buitcher and Elizabeth Lewis in West Hanney, Berkshire but his baptism record doesn't actually record the father's name

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name:James Butcher

baptism/christening date: 21 Apr 1776

baptism/christening place: WEST HANNEY,BERKSHIRE,ENGLAND

mother's name: Elizabeth Butcher



I have always had doubts about this and am beginning to favour this one -


Name: James Butcher

Baptism/Christening Date: 15 Mar 1767

Baptism/Christening Place: Hagbourne, Berkshire, England

Birth Date:

Father's Name: Lawrence Butcher

Mother's Name: Frances


James daughter by his first marriage was baptised Fanny, (after his mother perhaps) and there is a burial in Thatcham in abt 1815 of a Frances Butcher who would be about the right age to be James snr's mother. The CD with the Berks Burial Index on is in the bedroom where the girls are sleeping so I can't check my facts

Also several of James' children by his second marriage have the same names as some of the other children of Lawrence and Frances. None of which is conclusive of course.

Has anyone any bright ideas where I can go next?
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It says he was a School Master on Susanna's marriage certificate. What occupation does it give for him on his other children's marriage certs, Sue?
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James daughter by his first marriage was baptised Fanny, (after his mother perhaps) and there is a burial in Thatcham in abt 1815 of a Frances Butcher who would be about the right age to be James snr's mother. The CD with the Berks Burial Index on is in the bedroom where the girls are sleeping so I can't check my facts

Also several of James' children by his second marriage have the same names as some of the other children of Lawrence and Frances. None of which is conclusive of course.

Has anyone any bright ideas where I can go next?
I would look to see if Lawrence and / or Frances left a will, or if any of their other children did, especially unmarried ones, who might mention James. Also look for marriages for Lawrence and Frances's other children, to see if James was a witness on any of them and see if the signatures match (sometimes it's hard to tell if they do or not, though.) Also look to see who were the witnesses at James's own weddings if you haven't already.
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Old 06-08-11, 21:09
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His son Charles, gave James occupation as Clerk in Booking Office on one marriage and Office Clerk on his second. I think Susannah had ideas above her station! I'm fairly confident that she is James' daughter - she moves to Suffolk and always states her pob as Thatcham and I've not found another Susannah Butcher with father James born in the Berkshire area. My 3x gt grandfather married pre 1837 so father is not given. Any other marriages, if any, were not in London so can't be sure about fathers etc.

Hadn't thought about looking for Wills left by siblings! Will have a look asap.

A trip to Berks RO has long been on my list of "must do's" but I still haven't made it. One day I'll get there and look at the original records. The Bondsman on his marriage licence was a John Salter, landlord of a pub in Newbury. I can't find any relationship though.
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