John Walters

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Yet another of the brick walls in my family, here's hoping you can help me.

Name - "official" name and what they were known as

John Walters

Date and place of birth

Shown variously as -

1866 Llanarthne Caernarvonshire (Probably Llanarthney, Carmarthenshire) – 1891 census
1867 Llanelly Carmarthenshire – 1901 census
1866 – from 1897 marriage certificate
1866/67 – 1910 death index entry

Following birth certificates purchased but are not “my” John Walters

December 1866 Llanelly 11a 616
March 1867 Llanelly 11a 602
June 1867 Carmarthen 11a 764

Names of parents

Father - John Walters (deceased) – from 1897 marriage certificate
Mother - ?

Details of each of his or her marriages - if any - and any divorces*

Married Elizabeth Mary Jones on 4 March 1897 at Sardis Chapel in Pontypridd.

John Walters, age 31, Bachelor, Collier, 1 Rheola Terrace Hafod, John Walters (deceased), Farmer

Elizabeth Mary Jones, age 21, Spinster, Trehafod Road, Hafod, John Jones, Collier

Witnessed by Thomas Jones and Catherine Ann Arnold

Occupation(s) - if any

Collier

Military service - if any*

Haven't found any

Addresses where they lived - and please list which censuses you have or haven't found him/her on, if applicable.

1891 census (Piece 4419, Folio 82, Page 27) shows him lodging with Thomas Walters and family at 1 Rheola Terrace, Trehafod. He's not shown as a relation on the census but as a boarder.

Thomas Walters b. 1826 Llanarthne, Caernarvon (Coal miner)
Ruth Walters b 1834 Ystradgynlais, Brecon
John A Walters b 1881 Llangynog, Montgomery
David F Walters b 1878 Llangynog, Montgomery
John Walters b 1866 Llanarthne, Caernarvonshire (Coal Miner)
Eleanor Thomas b 1862 Glamorganshire (Visitor)

1901 census (Piece 5010, Folio 66, Page 7) at 7 Rheola Terrace, Trehafod with family

John Walters b 1867 Coal Hewer Llanelly, Carmarthenshire
Elizabeth Walters b 1877- Glamorgan, Wales
William J Walters b 1898 - Hafod, Glamorgan, Wales
Catherine A Walters b 1899 - Hafod, Glamorgan, Wales

This might be a possible sighting in 1881 but I haven't been able to find any other trace of Hannah nor have I been able to confirm if her husband/partner was John Walters.

1881 census (Piece 5393 Folio 73 Page 12) Penywaun, Trecastle, Llanarthney

Hannah Walters Single b 1821 Stocking Knitter Llanarthney, Carmarthenshire
John Walters Son b 1863 Coal Miner Llanarthney, Carmarthenshire
William Walters Grand Son – 1879 Llanarthney, Carmarthenshire

Date, place and cause of death

He's dead by the time of the 1911 census and he and his family have moved back to Carmarthenshire (Piece 32999 – Lizzie Walters).

Carmarthen 2ndQ Vol 11a Page 638 John Walters age 43 (not purchased)

Date and place of burial / cremation.

?

Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable

?

Memorial inscription - if any?

I had a look at the history of Thomas and Ruth Walters (1891 census) in case I could find any hint of John as a relative but nothing was apparent.

Thank you for any help or advice.