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Old 08-01-11, 16:50
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Oooh, actually Mary, I do have a special interest in Holdens of Kirkham and have been looking for a missing link for ten years.

It would be astonishing if the missing link was Garlick and not Holden as I had always presumed.

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Old 08-01-11, 18:04
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Found his burial on LancsOPC if you want to have a look.
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Old 08-01-11, 19:22
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Thankyou Mary, I've found that but can't take him backwards unfortunately.

I'll take him off this thread though, otherwise I'm going to get into a mess here.

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Old 08-01-11, 19:55
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OC, do you think this man, Thomas Whittaker Garlick.......

Name: Thos Garlick Or Whitaker
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 08 Sep 1765
Baptism/Christening Place: ROYTON,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Garlick
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Alice Whitaker
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P01483-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 215608
Reference Number:
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975


is the same person as this dead man.......

UK, Extracted Probate Records
Thomas Whittacre Garlick
April 1836
Hollinwood P. Oldham
Collection: Cheshire: Chester - Wills and Administrations, 1834-1837

(the will is also on the Lancs Wills Index)

and he is the father of your William via this baptism?:

Name: Wm. Garlick
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 10 Nov 1799
Baptism/Christening Place: SAINT MARGARET CHADDERTON,HOLLINWOOD,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 11 Oct 1799
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Thos Garlick
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Alice
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C03320-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 990079
Reference Number:
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975


If we could find Wm in 1851 with the right birthplace it would be simple! lol Maybe the 1836 will might sort out something?
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Old 08-01-11, 20:30
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Yes, that is a distinct possibility I think. Some of the children were bap at St Margaret's, so William Garlick had connections with that church.

The Royton connection is REALLY worrying me now. My missing link Holden was from Kirkham but his antecedents were from Royton.

I like Cheshire Wills site! I will order that one.

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Old 08-01-11, 20:34
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That's interesting about the baps. Was there a bap for this dau?

The Manchester Times and Gazette (Manchester, England), Saturday, January 12, 1833

Deaths

On the 4th instant, after a few days illness, Elizabeth, the only and beloved daughter of Mr William Garlick, painter, of Great Ancoats Street in this town, aged one year.
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Old 08-01-11, 20:46
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Oooh, clever Merry! no, don't have that daughter.

I have a terrible confession to make. St Margaret's records are not on line but someone went and had a look at them for me and sent me transcripts, which I carefully copied out...I don't know WHATI have done with the bit of paper, but I do have

Edmund (or Edward) Garlick/Whittaker 1822
William Garlick/Whittaker bp 14 Mar 1830 St Margaret Hollinwood
Thomas Garlick Whittaker c 1834
Alice Garlick Whittaker c 1839

I am sure there must have been other chldren (but my contact didn't find any more at St Margaret. I didn't realise then that they had moved to Manchester by 1833, as per your newspaper item above. I will have another look for baps with that in mind, although I know I did a very thorough search all over Lancs.

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Old 08-01-11, 21:03
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Maybe the others were under Whitaker?!!

Oh, I didn't actually really mean that, but:

No record of Edward/Edmund....then......(all submitted)


William Garlick Whittaker
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 14 MAR 1830 St Margaret, Hollinwood, Lancashire, England
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Parents:
Father: William Whittaker
Mother: Elizabeth




Elizabeth Whittaker (the one who died and is in the paper)
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 13 MAY 1832 St Margaret, Hollinwood, Lancashire, England

Death: 07 JAN 1833
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Parents:
Father: William Whittaker
Mother: Elizabeth


Thos. Henry Whittaker
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 14 DEC 1834 St Margaret, Hollinwood, Lancashire, England
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Parents:
Father: William Whittaker
Mother: Elizabeth



is this Alice?



Jane Alice Elizabeth Whittaker
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 06 OCT 1839 St Margaret, Hollinwood, Lancashire, England
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Parents:
Father: William Whittaker
Mother: Elizabeth


There are also these girls, but that newspaper suggested Wm's first dau was Elizabeth, so these two may be red herrings:

39. Helena Devenport Whittaker - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 27 MAY 1821 Hollinwood, Lancashire, England

40. Eleanor Devenport Whittaker - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 14 OCT 1827 St Margaret, Hollinwood, Lancashire, England


Oh and if Alice was actually Jane Alice, then:

Births Sep 1839
Whittaker Jane Alice Manchester 20 462

That birth is also on Lancs BMD and it's in Ancoats sub district.

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Old 08-01-11, 21:27
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Of course if Wm was just acknowledging the death of his only surviving dau rather than his only dau, and those two with the middle name Devenport are his and Devenport is Elizabeth's maiden name, then this would be nice:

ELIZABETH DEVENPORT
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 01 SEP 1799 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England

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Parents:
Father: JOHN DEVENPORT
Mother: JANE
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Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.


Making Wm and Eliz's last known child named for both their mothers! (If Wm's parents were Thomas and Alice, that is!!)

I think my leap of faith is too big!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 08-01-11, 22:14
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I think I played with Elizabeth Davenport before and dismissed her, cannot remember why now without a good rummage through my notes. Ah, maybe because one of the grandchildren marries a Davenport, although why that should rule her out.......yes, alfred Whittaker,1861 son of Edward/Edmund Whittaker Garlick, marries an Elizabeth Davenport in 1882. Ah yes, she died and Alfred shoved off to South Africa and remarried and then died out there. Tree on Ancestry etc.

Those subs are new to me but they do have definite dates, which I always think is reassuring, don't you.

Why would William and Eliz take their children back to Hollinwood to have them baptised, I wonder? I need to tread carefully because of the OTHER William Whittaker, who led me so fearfully astray for many years.

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