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Old 07-01-11, 22:11
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Default William Garlick/Whittaker FMFFF (40)

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Name - "official" name and what they were known as
William Whittaker Garlick
Date and place of birth
About 1800, Lancashire (maybe Hollinworth, Oldham?)
11 October 1799 Hollinwood
Names of parents
Not known
Thomas Whittaker Garlick and Alice Andrews
Date and place of baptism - if applicable
Not known
11 November 1799 St Mary hollinwood Oldham Lancs

Details of each of his or her marriages - if any
None found
20 September 1819 St Mary the Virgin, Prestwich to Elizabeth Davenport
Occupation(s) - if any
Plumber (1841) Housepainter on son's marriage cert.
Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK) - and please list which censuses you have or haven't found him/her on (if s/he lived in census
c 1822 Tinker Lane Hollinwood Oldham
1833 Great Ancoats St Manchester
Sudell St Manchester
Oldham Rd Manchester
1841 George Leigh St Ancoats Manchester
1843 Lancaster Gaol

Date, place and cause of death
before 10 August 1854,
Date and place of burial.
10 August 1854 St Mary Hollinwood
Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable
Not known
Memorial inscription - if any
Not known

Notes: William Garlick/Whittaker had four known children, probably more, with Elizabeth (unknown). The four children were baptised with the surname GARLICK and use this surname until some time between 1841 and 51, when they all start using the surname Whittaker. (Because their father was bankrupt and in gaol?)

A Betty Garlick married a JAMES Whittaker in 1816 at St Margaret's Hollinwood. This is probably irrelevant now.

There was another William Whittaker of the same age in the area who was a house painter. He is not my William Whittaker as I have tediously proved, his son who has the same name as my 2 x GGF (Edward/Edmund) married someone else.

Any thoughts on this would be very welcome. Obviously I cannot get any further back until I know whether his surname was really Garlick or Whittaker.

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Old 07-01-11, 23:28
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OC, where is Elizabeth Garlick/Whittaker in 1851?
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Old 07-01-11, 23:48
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She's at 34 Blossom St St George Manchester, H0107/2225 ???? as Elisabeth Whitaker (one T) aged 51.

In 61 she is at 31 Heaton St, Ardwick, Manchester, aged 61 (two TTs) in 71 at 37 Meridian St Ardwick, aged 71.

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Did Alice die? Do you have her death cert?
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I assume Alice died but no, I don't have her death cert. The Garlick/Whittakers werent keen on registration!

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Hmmm....see what you mean!
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Death
Name: Sarah Garlick Whittaker
Year of Registration: 1864
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Oldham
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 355


Did son Thomas G/W (aged 7 in 1841) marry Jane Bowers in 1854? I wondered what he said about his father on his marriage cert? (or what any of them said for that matter)

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Death
Name: William Whittaker Garlick
Year of Registration: 1854
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Chorlton
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 283

Marriage
Name: Edward Whitaker Garlick (to Ellen RIDDELL, Lancs BMD)
Year of Registration: 1843
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Manchester (1837-1924)
County: Lancashire
Volume: 20
Page: 650

Birth
Name: Mary Eleanor Whit*Ker Garlick
Year of Registration: 1845
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Manchester (1837-1924)
County: Lancashire
Volume: 20
Page: 718





(Apologies for probably going over old ground!)



Oh and what's this about? (from Ancestry)

UK, Extracted Probate Records
Thomas Whittacre Garlick
April 1836
Hollinwood P. Oldham
Book: Marriage Licences Granted within the Diocese of Chester. (Marriage)
Collection: Cheshire: Chester - Wills and Administrations, 1834-1837
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Name: Thos Garlick Or Whitaker
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 08 Sep 1765
Baptism/Christening Place: ROYTON,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Garlick
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Alice Whitaker
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P01483-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 215608
Reference Number:
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
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Oooh, thankyou Merry, I had some of that info but not all of it. It's looking as if the Garlick/Whittaker confusion goes back many years.

I have Edward's MC to Ellen Riddell. It is cleverly laid out so that either Garlick or Whittaker could be the surname, which is why it took me 40 years to find it - the GRO have it as Garlick and I wasn't looking for that name! He states his father is William Garlick Whittaker, a housepainter.

(Ellen Riddell is relatively new info for me, for many years I had Edward Whittaker, father William Whittaker, a housepainter, married to Ellen Kenyon. Wrong! Parallel family).

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The bankrupt directory: being a complete register of all the bankrupts, with their residences, trades, and dates when they appeared in the London gazette, from December 1820 to April 1843

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Garlick, William Whittaker, Manchester, plumber, March 16th, 1838
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