Zipporah Williamson b 1876 Mottram,Cheshire - Genealogists' Forum

garstonite · #1 05-01-10, 07:30

Hi...1st time i`ve done this....
My dads nan...
Zipporah Williamson b 1876 Mottram.Cheshire (sometimes spelt ZEpporah...
married Robert Walker b 1864 in c1893
one member on FTF has the same family and states that Charlotte Williamson b 1852 Glossop is Zipporahs mum....don`t know the father...
in the 1881 census Zipporah is in her grandfather s house and it states she`s grandaughter...there`s quite a few in the household including Charlotte with a sister named Zipporah b 1867......I HAVE NEVER FOUND ZIPPORAHS DEATH and I`m thinking she may have died here in Garston......allan

Merry · #2 05-01-10, 08:18

I take it you don't have her marriage cert?

Marriages Sep 1891
Booth Amelia Ashton 8d 789
Kay Thomas Ashton 8d 789
Teasdale Alice Ann Ashton 8d 789
Walker Robert Ashton 8d 789
Williamson Zipporah Ashton 8d 789

Merry · #3 05-01-10, 08:42

Is their dau Martha your ancestor? I can see her in 1911 but not either of her parents. Have tried Robert with all his different places of birth (!) and also with his occs of hairdresser and barber, but can't find him. Do you know when he died, or is it possible they emigrated? I can't find her death via Ancestry's supposedly fully transcribed records, nor a re-marriage.

Merry · #4 05-01-10, 08:46

This birth is the next district along from the one she should have been registered in if born in Mottram (I think!) - have you investigated this birth?

Births Jun 1876
Williamson Zipporah Hayfield 7b 810

Merry · #5 05-01-10, 08:51

Ah, did she revert to her maiden name and remarry?

Marriages Jun 1911
Chambers Alfred N Liverpool 8b 100
McNamara Denis Liverpool 8b 100 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Murphy Mary Liverpool 8b 100
Williamson Zipporah Liverpool 8b 100 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

and this could be her death (right age):

Name: Zipporah McNamara
Death Registration Month/Year: 1958 Q3
Age at death (estimated): 82
Registration district: Liverpool North
County: Lancashire
Volume: 10d
Page: 232

Merry · #6 05-01-10, 08:54

Yes, that's her, I'm sure. This is her spelling on the 1911 census (she may not have been quite re-married at this point as the census was taken right at the start of April, so she would have only had a day or two to tie the knot in Q2 1911!!). Denis is with her for this census.

MCNAMARA LIPPORAH F 1876 35 West Derby Lancashire

And guess where 'Lipporah' was born?!! Mottram!! lol

garstonite · #7 06-01-10, 06:32

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Originally Posted by Merry

Is their dau Martha your ancestor? I can see her in 1911 but not either of her parents. Have tried Robert with all his different places of birth (!) and also with his occs of hairdresser and barber, but can't find him. Do you know when he died, or is it possible they emigrated? I can't find her death via Ancestry's supposedly fully transcribed records, nor a re-marriage.

sorry about the delay but we have no phoneline and are using a dongle...don`t know whether it`s the weather but we`ve been having connection problems...YES Merry ,,,Martha was my nan....allan

garstonite · #8 06-01-10, 06:51

Having now read all the replies I am flabbergasted Merry....It makes me feel so inadequate...I`ll never be good at this...the one thing I am a little upset about is she died in 1958....I was 7....and I can`t remember her...heard loads and loads about her...and because of the Zipporah name, you obviously remember that name....thank you very very much Merry...Sakespeare st / Hughes St / Otway St are all "under the bridge "streets in Garston...
Martha lived in Clarence Grove OFF Otway St when she married Daniel Oakes..so they were obviously close....my nan Martha died a year before I was born in 1950 so my dad lost his mum before his nan....
NEVER heard of the Mc Namara family ...and don`t know of any in Garston...so My dad was born in 1926 , his elder brother in 1924...so Martha would have had step siblings aged 18 15 and twelve at the time....sorry Merry , but I have to go back to my tree...my dads cousin was named BENTHAM and I have never never found the connection...maybe its thru the Mc Namara line....back soon and thank you so much...you`re a star....allan

Merry · #9 06-01-10, 10:31

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Originally Posted by garstonite

Having now read all the replies I am flabbergasted Merry....It makes me feel so inadequate...I`ll never be good at this...the one thing I am a little upset about is she died in 1958....I was 7....and I can`t remember her...heard loads and loads about her...and because of the Zipporah name, you obviously remember that name....thank you very very much Merry...Sakespeare st / Hughes St / Otway St are all "under the bridge "streets in Garston...
Martha lived in Clarence Grove OFF Otway St when she married Daniel Oakes..so they were obviously close....my nan Martha died a year before I was born in 1950 so my dad lost his mum before his nan....
NEVER heard of the Mc Namara family ...and don`t know of any in Garston...so My dad was born in 1926 , his elder brother in 1924...so Martha would have had step siblings aged 18 15 and twelve at the time....sorry Merry , but I have to go back to my tree...my dads cousin was named BENTHAM and I have never never found the connection...maybe its thru the Mc Namara line....back soon and thank you so much...you`re a star....allan

I guessed you would say that about overlapping with her for a few years, but not knowing her.

I remember a bit more I didn't post yesterday - Veronica McNamara married a Bentham and had four sons and a daughter between 1930 and 1940. I had a look to see if any of them are on GR but don't seem to be. The children were all born in Liverpool. The reason I didn't post that before was that whan I found Veronica Bentham's death record her date of birth (on the death entry) didn't match up with the date of birth for Veronica McNamara on the army record for her father (at least I didn't think it matched - I haven't re-checked it!), so I thought I'd better not muddy the waters with info that might not be relevent. Sounds like it is though!!

Hope you are feeling a bit better after your slip up the other night?!

garstonite · #10 06-01-10, 07:46

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Originally Posted by Merry

Is their dau Martha your ancestor? I can see her in 1911 but not either of her parents. Have tried Robert with all his different places of birth (!) and also with his occs of hairdresser and barber, but can't find him. Do you know when he died, or is it possible they emigrated? I can't find her death via Ancestry's supposedly fully transcribed records, nor a re-marriage.

Hi Merry...been doing a little backtracking....children of Robert Walker and Zipporah Williamson I have in my tree
Martha Walker my nan born 1894 Broadbottom
Vera Walker b 1901 (broadbottom or Garston ...don`t know)
James Walker b 1903 (Broadbottom or Garston...don`t know)
I remember my "uncle" Jim very well...don`t remember Veronica at all....so can I ask you say you found Martha in 1911 BUT NOT WITH PARENTS,,she would have been 16-17...is Veronica and James with her ??
1906 birth 1909 birth...both out of wedlock? then she marries....does Zipporah have Veronica and James with the Mc Namara children with her in 1911 ?....did Robert ever move to Garston with Zipporah ?.....I notice there is SEVEN years between Martha and Veronicas births....going to check on Veronicas PLACE of birth.....James died about 1964 so in BEXHILL ON SEA...if I can find his Death cert it should give his place birth....allan
allan