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Old 11-04-18, 16:45
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Hi , I did with some help find my great great grandmother on my fathers side of the family . We found Jane Hale who was born in Ormskirk In 1825. /26 Mother Esther father William Hale . Now I think that her mothers maiden name was chamberlain , how do I make sure that this is the right person before I continue my search . As I can't find the marriage in Ormskirk ,although if she is a chamberlain I can find a birth around 1798 in scarisbrick which isn't far from Ormskirk parents Thomas and Jane . So any help in finding the right mothers maiden name would be gratefully received thanks qwackers
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Old 11-04-18, 17:31
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I found Esther in 1851 and her youngest child was John b abt 1837. This is presumably his birth reg:

HALE, JOHN mmn ESTHER CHAMBERLANE

GRO Reference: 1837 S Quarter in ORMSKIRK Volume 21 Page 371

So, mother's whole name rather than maiden name!!

What is your source for Esther's maiden name? Presumably not just that you "thought it"!!!
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Old 11-04-18, 17:33
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Where did you look for the marriage? Here it is on Lancs OPC!

Marriage: 17 May 1821 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
William Hale - (X), This Parish
Esther Chamberlane - (X), This Parish
Witness: Henry Stephenson; George Wignall
Married by Banns by: Charles Forshaw, Curate
Register: Marriages 1813 - 1827, Page 136, Entry 408
Source: LDS Film 1849664
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On that 1851 census, Esther is age 50, born Ormskirk, just so we have that info to hand.
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And in 1861 she is age 58, born Ormskirk.

Hmm, then Lancashire OPC has the marriage dated 30 Jul 1866 at St Peter & St Paul, Ormskirk, of Richard Pye, 40, labourer, widower, of Ormskirk, and Esther Hale, 50, widow, of Ormskirk, her father being Thomas Chamberlain, deceased. If it's her (and I would think so, given MMN Chamberlain), she had knocked quite a few years off her age! Father's name fits with that Scarisbrick baptism.
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Hi , that's the problem , I looked for a marriage for William hale hopefully finding whom he married . I looked on the parish records of Ormskirk , trying to cross ref the name etc .. I just wanted to be sure that I am following the right person in Esther chamberlane . Wouldn't want to get it wrong also I m still trying to trace Williams tree , don't know if he was born in the area or not ? Have you any idea ? Thanks
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Is this them in 1871? Richard a lot older than on that transcription; Esther back to approx her right age:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...nSearchResults

Mill Street, Ormskirk
Richard Pye Head Mar 67 Labourer Lancs Lathom
Esther Pye Wife Mar 71 Ormskirk
John Pye Son Unm 26 Butcher Do Do.
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I have got the 1841 census , with children William age 6 john age 3 Jane age 15 and Sam age 16 .thanks
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As for checking whether Esther Chamberlain is the right person, can you give us info on where Jane Hale fits in to your tree so we can check that bit? If you have the right Jane, then it looks as though Esther Chamberlain is right.

Edit - found the old thread which mentions Jane Hale:
http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/f...highlight=hale

According to that thread, James Robinson married Jane Hale in 1850 at Our Lady & St Nicholas & St Anne, Liverpool, and Jane was born about 1824 Ormskirk. We just need to check her details on that marriage record to make sure it's the same Jane as the one you found.
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The image for the Richard Pye / Esther Hale marriage is on ancestry and the ages are indeed given as 40 and 50, but I think both ages may have been way out.

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