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Old 03-01-18, 07:03
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Hi , I have done some research in the past regarding , a Ellen Callen born in Wigan around 1823 . I was told her father William Callen was born in Ashton . But I still believe he was born in Glasgow In early 1800s as I did have a aunt there my memory is vague as I was very small at the time but I thought my mum mentioned what sounded like Ella Keller but she could have also could have been Ellen Callen So I am still pursuing the fact that her father was Scottish . Because I visited Glasgow quite a few times when I was small , staying at different houses there . My father also worked up in Scotland for quite a few years . Any help to find out more info would be great happy new year to you all Qwackers
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Likely bap for Ellen:

Ellen Callen born 1 Feb 1824 bap 17 Apr 1824 at Wigan, All Saints parents William (a miner) and Ciceley

1841 census:

William Calland 40 coal miner
Ciceley Calland 35
Ellen Calland 15
Mary Calland 15
Elizabeth Calland 15
Richard Calland 10
Thomas Calland 6
Margret Calland 2

All say Yes for born in County (so born in Lancashire)

I don't have time to type out the 1851 census now, but William (surname Colland on Ancestry) aged 53 says he was born at Ashton Lancashire. The other people with him confirm it's the same family as above. Did whoever tell you this get it from this census or somewhere else?

There are several places called Ashton in Lancs. I can think of Ashton under Lyne and Ashton in Makerfield, but there may well be more.

I know you said Scotland, but having an aunt there in the 20thC seems a long way from someone born there (or not born there!!) in the 18thC!

Ashton in Makerfield is 3 miles from Wigan so I wondered if this is your William:

Baptism: 24 Jan 1796 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
William Calland - second Son of William Calland & Ann (formerly Lea)
Born: 31 Dec
Abode: Haigh
Occupation: Weaver
Mother's Parents: Thomas & Betty Lea
Register: Baptisms 1779 - 1799, Page 395
Source: Original register at Wigan Archives
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Hi , thanks merry , yes I went down that route before , and saw William born in Ashton near Wigan . Could be the one , but still looking for the Scottish link . Ellen Callen had her sons in Glasgow in 1854 and 1855 in Milton and later had another child in another area before coming back to Lancashire . I know people went looking for work wherever but it's a long way from Wigan at that time I don't understand why the names have changed from Callen to collard . If that William is the right one . I know they could have not been able to read or write , so that could be a reason . But there are quite a few Callen s in glasgow .will keep searching thanks for your help
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Cisely Calland married William Calland in 1823 in Warrington if these or the right people , I've tried to obtain this marriage certificate but been unable to find where I can get it front as this may help any ideas ? Thanks
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There is at least one old thread about these people, maybe more than one. I will find them and post the links.
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http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/f...ad.php?t=21594

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http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/f...hlight=calland

Could you please let me know if either of these accounts belongs to you so I can merge it with the one you are currently using?
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Cisely Calland married William Calland in 1823 in Warrington if these or the right people , I've tried to obtain this marriage certificate but been unable to find where I can get it front as this may help any ideas ? Thanks
As they married before 1837, there is no GRO marriage certificate to order, but this is the church record:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...nSearchResults

William Calland and Cicely Walker, both of the parish of Warrington, by banns 31 Aug 1823, witnesses Edward Fell and William Webster. William Webster is witness on quite a few marriages so probably not related.
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Qwackers, is one of those other accounts yours, please? (Bearkins or Anglosaxon.)
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Yes bearkins was mine , I think the other one was my daughters account thanks
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