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Old 10-09-20, 09:14
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Could well be.

Looking at Matilda, the possible sister of Robert, she might be this Matilda:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...rn&pId=6893423


She is living in Barnstaple, the daughter of John Norman, a carpenter. John, good man, givs and entirely different pob on every census: Devon, Newport Hants and Barnstaple.


There is a large gap between Matilda and her sister Emma, and this marriage of a John Norman in Barnstaple: https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcr...F514235772%2F1


Sadly, it is only a transcript of John's marriage to Elizabeth Gibbons 8 December 1821, and even if he were a widow, it would prove nothing, but I cannot see what might have happened to Matilda.
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I saw that Matilda and her father, but decided I might have to un-see them!

I think there's a death reg in Barnstaple for Matilda, or it may have been a burial!
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Deaths Mar 1866 (>99%)
Norman Matilda 50 Barnstaple 5b 406
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Sorry, didn't see you there Phoenix!

Having looked at other threads here, this is def the right man:

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...try&h=13803967

as his son, James, marries Selina Protheroe (sp?) and there's a thread about her.

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So, as you said, Phoenix, he married too soon to give his father's details. I suppose we need to know his age from all available censuses.
Yes, that's the one. The reason he's so tricky to pin down is that his given age never increased by exactly 10 from one census to the next!

1841: 25

1851: 40 (his name was crossed out on the form - presumably because he was at sea on census night - and Catherine's written instead, but the birthplace is given as Exeter which is definitely his not hers, so I'd guess the age also refers to him)

1861: 48

1871: 62

1881: 70

Catherine died in 1872; in 1881 Robert is living with Ethel Alice Norman, who is recorded as his wife - although I haven't found any record of their marriage. Find A Grave has an Ethel A Norman buried in Swansea in 1883, which might well be her but I wouldn't be too confident of it. I'm more certain of Robert's death: 5th October 1884, Swansea. Unfortunately all my certs are at home so I can't check what age was recorded on there.

Based on the above, potentially born any time from 1809 to 1816. At least he's consistent with his birthplace, which is always recorded as Exeter.
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Erm, you said the children of the basket maker were bap in Tiverton, but they were baptised in Exeter!
Sorry, that was me getting my notes in a mess! John and Sarah were married in Tiverton, but all the baptisms were in Exeter.
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Old 10-09-20, 20:51
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Robert was reported as 74 at death:

Deaths Dec 1884 (>99%)
NORMAN Robert 74 Swansea 11a 442

This is the only reg I could see for the burial you mentioned, so clearly not the one:

Deaths Jun 1883 (>99%)
NORMAN Ethel Annie 1 Swansea 11a 446
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The writing is pretty poor for the 1881 census entry, but it does look like Ethel Alice. There are no death registrations for Ethel Alice anyone who would fit with being aged 70 in 1881.
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I like her occupation of 'widow' for a supposedly married woman!!
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The absence (as far as I can find) of a marriage registration suggests that it was a "common law marriage" - plenty about those in my recent reading! That doesn't, however, explain the apparent lack of a death registration, or for that matter any record of her with any surname either before or after 1881...
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I cannot think that her name was Ethel AND her birthdate c1810. But no better names spring to mind.
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