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Old 25-04-20, 14:19
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Thanks again, Kate. I think the brothers went one by one as their births were spread over 20 years.
Imagine being a farmer and having six sons and they all emigrate as soon as they are old enough. Their father was a temperance reformer, maybe that's why.

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Old 25-04-20, 21:46
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Possibly the brothers came out for the Victorian gold rush in the 1850's.
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Old 26-04-20, 00:27
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OC was there a James? One died in NSW in 1905, father William, mother Ann.

Maybe not them as we don't know the mother's maiden name.

There is nothing in QLD either.
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Joseph and Thomas Sayle appear on the 1856 electoral roll in Ironbark Gully (Bendigo, formerly known as Sandhurst, Victoria). They are listed as miners, so undoubtedly came out in response to the goldrush which took place there in the 1850s.
The records are complicated by the presence of another Thomas Sayle, s/o Charles Sayle & Catherine Cottier, but I am trying to sort through the records.
A John Sayle, farmer, 65 yrs, with wife Emma Jane, 55 yrs, left Plymouth, bound for Melbourne in 1887
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Old 26-04-20, 10:02
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Kit and Macbev, thankyou both, more information I didn't have.

Yes, there was a James. I have Ann 1818, John 1821-1901, Ellin 1823, Elizabeth 1825 (prob died young) William 1828-1860, Thomas 1830,Elizabeth Jane 1833, Benjamin 1835, Joseph Edwards (sic)1837 and James 1840.

Yes, there is a parallel family with similar first names. They are related I am sure, but have not worked out how. William Sayle says in a letter I have had no news of Charles, but of course doesn't specify who Charles is.

I have more biographical information from the Manx Museum site that when William Sayle died "his further descendants went to New Zealand and the farm (Larivane) was finally sold in 1930" . I wish I could find his will to work out who they might be.

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Old 26-04-20, 13:17
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John seems to have married Emma Jane Cooper in 1858. There were several children. Emma died in 1904. They spent most of their married life in Yarra Glen,Victoria where he was a grazier and John's obit in Trove indicates he had been in the colony since the 1840s. Since he is shown on the 1841 census with his parents on the Isle of Man, I guess he was not the John Sale, b. abt 1819, I o M, who was transported to NSW.


Sorry if this is an unwanted digression...but I've not been able to pick up Benny so far.
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Old 26-04-20, 15:56
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Macbev, snap! I just found that info.

I am satisfied that my Benjamin is the one Kate found returning to the IoM in 1859 and that he stayed the rest of his life in IoM so the search is off for him but thankyou for looking.

(Diverted by reading wiki trees, 21 children born in 10 years of marriage, haha.Nothing changes.)

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Old 27-04-20, 00:46
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I have more biographical information from the Manx Museum site that when William Sayle died "his further descendants went to New Zealand and the farm (Larivane) was finally sold in 1930" . I wish I could find his will to work out who they might be.

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Are you aware of this isle of man.com thread?
http://www.isle-of-man.com/genealogy...read/id/542188
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Old 27-04-20, 10:13
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Yes, saw that thread, thankyou. I think William Sayles' will is too recent to have been transcribed and of course, John would have inherited the farm by law, so it is John's will I need to find, in Australia. I have found various deeds of sale, he ((John) sold off bits of the farm during his lifetime and I'm surprised there was any left after his death.

Does Australia operate the law of primogeniture on property do you know, please? John died in 1901 if that makes a difference.

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Old 27-04-20, 11:25
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You can view John Sayle's will here

https://www.ancestry.com/interactive...=successSource
if you do not have the Ancestry sub that will allow you to see it, I am happy to copy and send to you, if you can provide me with an address.
i don't think primogeniture laws apply in Australia.
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