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It was an observation on the trees which had bumped him off prematurely!
Sorry, Shona, I'm still not with you - are you saying that the William who married Esther was still alive on the 1851 census, as well as the William who this thread is about?
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I just have to ask if it's possible that William Callen Ellen's father could have been born in Glasgow ? And not in Ashton in Makerfield as there are a few William Callen s born there ? I definetly had a aunt or a relative in that area . That's why I think that William could have been Scottish .?
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Anything is possible, though he did say born in Lancs in 1841 and born in Ashton Lancs in 1851.

Whilst in theory it's possible he was born outside of Lancashire, I don't understand your reasoning for wondering about this - you say you had an aunt or relative in Glasgow, but what does that have to do with a man born in the 18th Century?
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hi , One of the calland clan is trying to establish ,ann lea's birth place from post 13 , she is saying the only one that firsts is a one in Calne wiltshire In 1775 ,which is a lon way from lancashire . i also found a birth of a ann lea in 1776 in ashton under lyne ? have you any ideas . There isn't many births to fit that comes up on Family search ,but there may be more on Ancestry . Thanks
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So you are looking for the baptism of this bride:

Marriage: 19 Jul 1785 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
William Calland - Haigh
Ann Lea - Haigh
Witness: Peter Grimshaw; Gerd. Bancks
Married by Banns by: Page Godfrey
Notes: [Bride signed Ann Ley]
Source: LDS Film 1885689

I don't see why she would be born about 1775/6 because that would make her about 10 when she married! Perhaps you have a burial for her with her age recorded? If you do, are you sure it's the right Ann Calland?

So we are looking for a baptism for an Ann Lea, parents Thomas and Betty (from post #13).

I would expect the issue to be that there are far too many possible baptisms rather than only one in the wrong county and at a date that doesn't work!

I've only looked at Lancs OPC (where I'm assuming you will have looked already) and did ten years either way of 1760. That gave me five matches, so you would need to use your local knowledge to decide if any are not likely geographically and also try and establish what happened to each of these Anns to see if you can rule any out (eg if any of them died young etc).

Baptism: ? Jan 1749/50 St Laurence, Chorley, Lancashire, England
Ann Leigh - Daughter of Thomas Leigh
Register: Baptisms 1709 - 1768, Page 45, Entry 29
Source: LDS Film 93703

Baptism: 8 Jul 1753 St Mary the Virgin, Eccles, Lancashire, England
Anne Lee - Daughter of Thos. Lee
Abode: Pendleton
Source: Manchester Central Library

Baptism: 31 Mar 1754 St Laurence, Chorley, Lancashire, England
Ann Leigh - Daughter of Thomas Leigh
Register: Baptisms 1709 - 1768, Page 50, Entry 8
Source: LDS Film 93703

Baptism: 19 Sep 1762 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Ann Lee - Daughter of Thos. Lee & Betty
Abode: Turton
Source: LDS Family Search

Baptism: 6 Feb 1767 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh, Lancashire, England
Ann Lee - Daughter of Thomas Lee
Abode: Bedford
Register: Baptisms 1757 - 1769, Page 110
Source: LDS Film 1885648
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hi ,did you also see the one in calne wiltshire 1765..?
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what they are saying calland clan in the U.S if she was born far away from lancashire how would she end up there , the problem is ,i have no idea .
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i also found a birth father thomas in newcastle under lyne . around 1766 so like you say there are many possibilities .thanks
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hi ,did you also see the one in calne wiltshire 1765..?
No. Why would I be interested in that? It's far too late and in an unrealistic part of the country.

EDIT see post 33 re date.

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i also found a birth father thomas in newcastle under lyne . around 1766
What was he doing in 1766? Not being baptised I hope! Not if his daughter was married in 1785!

Why would you be looking in Newcastle under Lyme when there are dozens and dozens of Thomas Lea entries in Lancashire?
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what they are saying calland clan in the U.S if she was born far away from lancashire how would she end up there , the problem is ,i have no idea .
She doesn't need to have been born far away though, does she?

I think people need to grasp the fact that sometime it can be very difficult to work out the correct line for their tree, especially with common names and ordinary occupations in a given area. It can take years and years to get to the bottom of the data sometimes. Maybe even decades. Very often you never will.

Oh and BTW, the Ann Lea, dau of Thomas and Betty Lea who was bap in Calne in 1765 was buried in 1774 in Calne.
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