William Garlick/Whittaker FMFFF (40)

[Merry]

Well, if your researcher thought they were called Garlick and the person with the submitted entries thought they were Whittaker, then I think the best move might be for someone else to look at the PRs once and for all, to see EXACTLY what is said (and for the Devenport ones).

I can't imagine why they went back to Hollinwood, but the death notice in the paper ties in with the bap of Elizabeth. I wonder if she was buried there? (I guess so, as it's unlikely the submitter would have made the connection otherwise).

Erm are you going to ask the registrar about that birth cert for Jane ALice in1839? If the parents are Wm and Elizabeth you will have a maiden name to go on!

[Olde Crone]

Just in case you thought it was all sewn up, who's this

Jane Garlick bp 25 Jun 1815, Collegiate, Manchester, d/o William Garlick, painter and Elizabeth, of Salford.

Has to be a red herring, surely, William and Elizabeth were only 16 in 1815!

OC

EDIT Unfortunately, Hollinwood regs aren't available through the IGI. I will have to see if I can bully my brother (again) or find my bit of paper....I suspect the submitted ones were submitted by a Whittaker descendant, probably the ones in SA, who would only know the family as whittaker and would think that Garlick was a funny middle name...or maybe they submitted as Whittaker for ease of continuity!

OC

[Merry]

*ignores first bit of last post*

At great personal effort, I have got up from the sofa and gone into a coldroom to switch on the desktop computer which has the NBI disk in the coffee cup holder. I found these:

Elizabeth Whittaker aged 11 months bur 7th (month illegible) 1833

Jane Alice Elizabeth Whittaker aged 2 bur 16th July 1841

Fits with:

Deaths Sep 1841
GARLICK Jane Alice Elizabeth Manchester 20 345

Elizabeth Whittaker aged 78 bur 8th April 1878

which fits with:

Deaths Jun 1878
WHITTAKER Elizabeth 78 Chorlton 8c 388

and

William Whittaker aged 54 bur 10th Aug 1854

which fits with the Garlick death reg posted yesterday!

[Merry]

lol forgot to say all those burials are at Hollinwood!

[Olde Crone]

Oh thankyou and well done, hope you had a thick cardi on!

They lost an awful lot of children, didn't they. There's a suspicious gap in the births, not many in the 1820s and those all die except Edward. Arsenic/lead poisoning, perhaps!

OC

[Merry]

Hmmm..... I suppose all the Elizabeth's (ie Wm's wife) on the baps were the same woman?

I will have another check of the burials tomorrow, as I only searched for certain ones. Also forgot to check Garlick! lol

[Merry]

The Hollinwood Whittaker baps are on the FS pilot site. I clicked the button that says 'about these records' and amongst other things it states:

Record Description
The index is an electronic database of information transcribed from original records.


I'm going to type out the baps here (everything that is Wm and Eliz Whittaker) in the right order and without duplicates, as I get confused otherwise:

27th May 1821 Helena Devenport
28th July 1822 Edward ....................(with Wm and Eliz, named Edmund Garlick, in 1841)
14th Oct 1827 Eleanor Devenport
14th Mar 1830 William .....................(bap is listed under Garlick on FS pilot, father Wm Whittaker G mother Eliz. With Wm and Eliz 1841)
11th Dec 1831 Mary
18th May 1832 Elizabeth
14th Dec 1834 Thomas Henry ...........(with Wm and Eliz, named Edmund Garlick, in 1841)
8th Feb 1835 James
22nd Jan 1837 John
6th Oct 1839 Jane Alice Elisabeth .....(with Wm and Eliz, named Edmund Garlick, in 1841)


So, some of them are very close together! There are no Garlick baptisms (Wm and Eliz)

As I said, I'll look at the burials again tomorrow.

[Olde Crone]

Ah, a few there I don't have.

I have Edward born 2 June 1823, baptised 28 July 1823, s/o William Whittaker and BETTY, a painter of Tinker Lane.

Don't forget, there is another William Whittaker around, with a wife Elizabeth/Betty, so some of those could be theirs. The "other" William Whittaker was around on the 1841 census, waiting for me to pick him up thinking he was mine....

Off to bed now, cannot see straight. Thankyou so much for all your help today.

OC

[Merry]

OC, do you think this man, Thomas Whittaker Garlick.......

Name: Thos Garlick Or Whitaker
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 08 Sep 1765
Baptism/Christening Place: ROYTON,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Garlick
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Alice Whitaker
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P01483-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 215608
Reference Number:
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975


is the same person as this dead man.......

UK, Extracted Probate Records
Thomas Whittacre Garlick
April 1836
Hollinwood P. Oldham

Oooh, this looks like the burial of the above. Age perfect!

Thos Whittaker
Abode: Hollinwood
10th Feb 1836
Age 71
Hollinwood St Margaret

There are two Alice Whittaker burials that could be his wife - both the wife of a Thomas Whittaker. One is March 1818 aged 48 and the other March 1830 aged 62.

[Merry]

Goodnight OC.

Some of the baps were Betty and some Elizabeth, but I guess there are two couples and it may be that some of the children will never be matched with the right parents. Those two that were Devenport were one mum as Betty and one Eliz, so clearly not separate forenames!