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Elizabeth Cohen Joel 1790?-1841? London
Elizabeth was Jewish, so no baptism. I'm not sure now where I found Cohen!
Marriage would be by Jewish rites and probably around 1819. Not yet found. 1841 HO107/0725/1/~F10 East London without Walls Joel Daniel 50 Joel Elizabeth 50 Joel Mary 20 Sarah 18 Jacob 16 Luce 11 Julia 11 Solomon 9 Amelia 7 Jacob 5 Rachael 3 Abraham 8 months [cannot be Elizabeth's unless ages wildly out! Maybe illegitimate child of daughters, or a grandson for son no longer living at home? possible death: Elizabeth Joel 1841 Mar Shoreditch 2 Page: 374 OR Elizabeth Joel 1841 Dec Hackney : 3 Page: 1* [image looks like 111] Link to g x 3 grandmother: http://genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum...ight=mary+joel
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Love from Nell researching Chowns in Buckinghamshire & Oxfordshire Brewer, Broad, Eplett & Pope in Cornwall Smoothy & Willsher/Wiltshire in Essex & Surrey Emms, Mealing + variants, Purvey & Williams in Gloucestershire Barnes, Dunt, Gray, Massingham, Saul/Seals/Sales in Norfolk Matthews & Nash in Warwickshire Last edited by Nell; 09-10-11 at 17:28. |
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I don't see why Abraham can't be Elizabeth's son if she was born 1790? It has been known for women of 50 to have a baby.
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Someone on ancestry has the family in their tree with marriage date given as 18 Mar 1819 at "New Synagogue". Might be worth contacting them to see if they have more information? Also they have her on the 1851 census as Betsy Joel in Romford, Essex, with Amelia 17, John 16, Abraham 9 and Betsey 2, and in 1861 still in Romford with husband Daniel, and have her dying in 1861. Have you looked at that before and found it to be a different family, or could it be her? Birthplace is Spitalfields.
1851 census: High Street, Romford Betsey Joel Head Mar 54 Fishmonger Middx Spitalfields Amelia Do Daur Un 17 Do Do John Do Son Un 16 Do Do Abraham Do Son 9 Do Aldgate Betsey Do Granddaur 2 Essex Romford and 1861: Waterloo Road, Romford Daniel Joel Head Mar 69 Fishmonger Middlesex Spitalfields Elizabeth Do Wife Mar 65 Do Do Elizabeth Do Granddr Un 12 Scholar Essex Romford. Last edited by kiterunner; 08-10-11 at 19:19. Reason: add census transcriptions |
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Oh, looking at your thread about your ancestor Mary Joel, daughter of Daniel and Elizabeth, you say on there that Daniel was a fishmonger, so surely that family in Romford has to be the right one?
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KiteRunner
As ever I'm in awe of your efficiency and skill! I will have to fish out (no pun intended) my notes on them. The problem is that Joel is a very common Jewish surname and fishmongering was a very common Jewish occupation. Thanks for your posts I'll be investigating them asap.
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