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Old 23-04-20, 07:17
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Hi ,I am researching my husbands , ancestors on the Barclay side . William John Hartley Married Elizabeth Barclay . in 1899 , ormskirk . his father was william Hartley deceased Carter . Address southport rd Ormskirk . Elizabeth Barclay born around 1876/ 77 don't know whereabouts she was living in moor st ormskirk ,father William Barclay soldier Deceased. . I have had a word with an uncle who suggests that there was a scottish connection but don't know if it's correct or not .I have been using family search census ' s but can't seem to be able to glean a lot from them . they are not as informative as Ancestry . any help gratefully received.thanks .
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Old 23-04-20, 08:14
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You could have given us the registrations for their children. The first seems to be William, registered 1899 Q4 Ormskirk.

The following few births are:

Thomas James 1901
Nellie 1904
Jack 1906
Margaret Agnes 1908
Mollie 1911

This info can help to trace the right family on the 1901 and 1911 census.

You say the father was William John Harley and the mother Elizabeth Barclay, but at their marriage he is John Hartley and she is Mary Elizabeth Barclay (Lancs OPC).

Marriage: 10 Jul 1899 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
John Hartley - 23, Engine Cleaner, Bachelor, Southport Road, Ormskirk
Mary Elizabeth Barclay - 23, Spinster, Moor Street, Ormskirk
Groom's Father: William Hartley, Deceased, Carter
Bride's Father: William Barclay, Deceased, Soldier
Witness: Nellie Pearce; John Johnson
Married by Banns by: John E Woodrow, Vicar
Register: Marriages 1899 - 1911, Page 7, Entry 14
Source: LDS Film 1849649

The 1901 and 1911 census records give the same details for their birth dates and places

John Hartley b about 1875/6 Halsall, Lancashire
Mary Elizabeth b about 1876/7 Liverpool, Lancashire
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There's a Mary Elizabeth Barclay registered in Liverpool in 1873 mmn Handley (so a bit early, but the right name). She has a sister, Sarah Ann reg 1878. This is not the right family as their father is Edward Barclay a labourer.
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There's also this baptism (also a bit early) which needs investigating.

Baptism: 6 Sep 1874 St Barnabas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Mary Elizabeth Barkley - [Child] of William Barkley & Hannah
Abode: 80 Greenland St.
Occupation: Labourer
Notes: Privately. Received into the Ch. Oct. 20th
Baptised by: C. D. Winslow
Register: Baptisms 1841 - 1892, Page 224, Entry 1800
Source: LDS Film 2147909

and this one could be a sibling:

Hannah Barkley b 18 Dec 1881 bap 5 Feb 1882 Princes Park, St Paul parents William (labourer) and Hannah. Address 20 Arthur St.

I can't see a registration for either birth.
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In 1881 a John Barclay and wife Letitia are living at 20 Arthur Street, and in later censuses they have granddaughter Hannah (b 1881) living with them.

I think John and Letitia had only been married a year and his prev wife was called Martha.
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Here is the image of the 1899 marriage record on Ancestry:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...e4e310c1398c78

Her name was originally written as Elizabeth Barclay and then Mary was added in. She is just Elizabeth Barclay on the banns record. So I guess she was Mary Elizabeth but known as Elizabeth. She did sign her name as Mary Elizabeth.
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Is this her? 1881 (Ancestry):

Mary Eliz . Barclay aged 6 b L Pool

neice of John Burton Hague and wife Mary.

Marriages Sep 1873
HAGUE John Burton Liverpool 8b 284
HALSALL Mary Liverpool 8b 284
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In post #4 I wondered if Mary Elizabeth (1874) and Hannah (1881) were siblings.

I don't think they were, as there is a reg for Hannah Barkley mmn White in Toxteth Park district in Q1 1882 - William Barkley and Hannah White only married in 1880 and he was a bachelor and aged 21 (living at Arthur St), so isn't going to be Mary Elizabeth's father. That means you can forget about John Barclay and his wives Martha and Letitia and Arthur Street as that family are connected with Hannah Barclay 1881 and not directly with Mary Elizabeth.
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I'm wondering about this child:

BARTLEY, MARY ELIZABETH COXHEAD
GRO Reference: 1874 S Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 137

Hannah Coxhead and William Bartley married in March 1871 in Liverpool.

It makes no sense that neither of them are obviously connected with the names Hague and Halsall though, so nothing confirmed.
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Here is the marriage of a son of James Barkley, ropemaker:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...0b0e5487c881b8

20 Sep 1869 St Peter, Liverpool, Edward Barkley, full age, bachelor, labourer, Watkinson St, father James Barkley, ropemaker, and Elizabeth Hanley, minor, spinster, Watkinson St, father William Hanley, carter. Witnesses Thomas North and Ellen Cornforth.

A possible brother to William. I realise this is a bit tenuous, but I haven't been able to find William on a census yet so am hoping this might help.
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