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31-12-15, 10:07
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Mary Emma is a widow in 1911 and so hasn't filled in the section on number of years married and number of children.
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/23...nSearchResults 
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31-12-15, 10:16
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This could be Richard in 1861:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/87...nSearchResults
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31-12-15, 10:16
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each census has Richard born Salford - 1836 year fits and I can't see any other Salford births for Richard Hartley around 1836 ??....looks like my Richard to me ...maybe I am getting carried away ...
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31-12-15, 10:17
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What we really need is to find the marriage between Richard Hartley and Mary Emma to get his father's name.
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31-12-15, 10:32
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I have looked on freebmd / lancsbmd/cheshbmd - can't see any to a Mary Emma - couple of Mary Elizabeths - and too many as just Mary ....ah well ....thanks very much Kate... for your invaluable help ...it does look like my Richard - I will carry on looking for a marriage that fits ....cheers
allan added - this is my gg grandfather and ggg grandparents in 1851 - as I say , Richard is not a DIRECT ancestor - but I would have liked to find a marriage for him ... never mind https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKK9-N2WV although it says b 1838 - he was born xmas eve 1836
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31-12-15, 12:47
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There is a possible marriage between Richard Barker Hartley and Mary Emma Whitcombe Jul-Sep 1887 Sheffield. If this is them, then perhaps Richard was previously married and so unable to marry Mary Emma until then, hence her listing as "unmarried daughter" in 1881?
Aha! Found the marriage cert on FMP: http://search.findmypast.co.uk/recor...hlights=%22%22 31 Jul 1887 Hollis Croft, Yorkshire Richard Barker Hartley, 44, widower, hawker, residence 4 Bates Square, father Jeremiah Hartley (deceased), drysalter Mary Emma Whitcombe, 33, spinster, same address, father Edward Whitcombe (deceased), engineer Witnesses Robert Crookes, Elizabeth Coguthorpe(?)
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31-12-15, 12:48
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So, we still have his first marriage to find!
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31-12-15, 13:26
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Here we are:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/16...nSearchResults St Mary Whitechapel, London 5 Apr 1865 Richard Hartley, full age, bachelor, occupation traveller, residence Whitechapel, father Jeremiah Hartley, labourer Mary Fitzpatrick, full age, spinster, residence Whitechapel, father John Fitzpatrick, labourer Witnesses William Crawford, Louisa Crawford
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03-01-16, 09:54
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Kate - you are a star ...sorry I haven't been online lately -I have been very down / not well - just felt weak - I will add those 2 marriages to my family tree ....thanks again - progress made ...well done you ...xxxxxxx
added...because of your finds - I have found 6 granchildren in Salford 1918 - 1928 brilliant
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