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31-12-15, 08:12
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any ideas please - new one on me
Do any experienced researchers know what this means please ??
from Lan-opc site 1832 baptism Abode: Failsworth Occupation: Weaver Baptised by: J. L. M. O. M. do those abbreviations mean something I should note down ?? J L M O M ?? The church is St Margaret of Antioch ,Hollinwodd ,Lancashire or is this just the ministers name abbreviations ?? thanks allan added all the other baptisms at that church in that period are baptised by J Holme
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31-12-15, 08:32
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John Lees Miller Off. Minister
I googled the initials you gave along with Hollinwood and some of the other baps that appeared along with the one you mention showed the above as the minister.  (I presume 'off' = officiating)
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31-12-15, 08:35
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And the reason you didn't see it is because I've just realised the results I got are for a nearby church, not the one you were looking at. This chap seems to have mostly worked at St Leonard, Middleton, Lancashire which I guess is near Hollinwood as some of the people were living there when they had their children baptised.
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31-12-15, 09:15
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Thanks very much Merry - you clever girl .....all I know is that Hollinwood comes under Oldham .......
cheers allan ( having a research day in my dressing gown ...lol) struggling to find my gg grandfathers sibling after 1851 census on my mothers side of the family ... to be honest - not that important , but I would have liked to find a marriage for him https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NF6R-TXJ i fear this may be him https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KDG6-5T6 - if it is , can you advise me on how I find out whether he was transported to Australia or if he stayed in prison in Manchester - with it stating 1859 -1863 I presume he stayed here ?? thanks always take heed of your advice ... allan
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31-12-15, 09:24
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The second link you posted has a button to click to view the full image on FMP, Allan. On the image, his offence is shown as "Assaulting Eliza Hartley at Bury" and he was sentenced to 1 calendar month hard labour. His occupation is coachman and his birthplace Whitworth. Residence Paradise St, Bury. Religion C of E. Discharged 8 Jun 1859.
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31-12-15, 09:27
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There is a Richard Hartley baptised at Whitworth in 1835 so I don't think that prisoner record will be your Richard, Allan.
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31-12-15, 09:40
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There is this household in 1881:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/75...nSearchResults 119 & 121 Scotland St, Sheffield Richard Hartley Head Mar 41 Shopkeeper & Hawker Lancashire Salford Mary Emma Do Daur Unm 25 Yorkshire Sheffield John Do Son 8 Scholar Do Do Richard Do Son 1 Do Do Elizabeth Frazer Serv Unm 19 Domestic Servant Do Leeds
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31-12-15, 09:50
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Thank you very much Kate ....that 1881 result looks very good - Richards brother John Hartley ( my gg grandfather)was a Butcher and he had shops - when he died his wife Martha is down as Shopkeeper - I didn't figure on Richard going to Sheffield -but I wonder if he ran one of his brothers Butchers shops ??
thanks again ...something to have a look at ....cheers allan ADDED - just noticed - Mary Emma dau aged 25 unmarried - and Richard is only 41 ??...do you think that is his daughter or step daughter ? no Mary E or Mary Hartley b 1853-1856 in Sheffield ??....looks like a step daughter who has changed her surname ??
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31-12-15, 09:50
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This is that 1881 family in 1891:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/65...nSearchResults 4 Bates Sqr, Sheffield Richard Hartley Head M 47 Hawker Manchester Mary Ann Do Wife M 37 Sheffield John Do Son S 17 Do Richard Do Son S 12 Scholar Do Lily Do Daug 2 Do Albert Do Son 5M Do
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31-12-15, 10:03
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And 1901 (still trying to find something to confirm or disprove that this is your Richard!)
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/78...nSearchResults 8 Broad Lane, Sheffield Richard Hartley Head M 56 Hawker & Marine Stores Dealer Lancs Salford Mary E Do Wife M 42 Yorks Sheffield Richard Do Son S 21 Railway Carter Yorks Sheffield Lily Do Daur 12 Yorks Sheffield Mary E Do Daur 2 Yorks Sheffield It looks as though "Daur" for Mary Emma on the 1881 census was a mistake and it should have been "Wife".
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