John Litherland father and son.

[kiterunner]

Oh, I looked at that but thought it must be a different person because it said Dorset Regiment instead of Light Infantry. Mind you, it was late at night. Makes sense if it is the same John.

[Merry]

It said place of birth Wolverhampton and age 36 years 7 months on 13 Jan 1887 which is pretty close! (should be 36 years 11 months, so they may have misheard what he said!)

[Merry]

There's also this (Light infantry) but I don't know how we could know it's the same man?


First name(s) John
Last name Litherland
Service number 1893
Rank Private
Unit or Regiment 51st (2nd York, West Riding, The King's Own Light Infantry) Regiment of Foot
HQ location Curragh Camp, Ireland
Year 1871
Country Great Britain
National Archives reference WO 12/6234
Period 01/04/1871-30/06/1871
Record set 1871 Worldwide British Army Index - British Army Other Ranks & locations
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & service records
Collections from Great Britain

[kiterunner]

Yes, that's the record I posted up last night, Merry. I thought that must be him because it said Light Infantry.

[Merry]

I did a search on his army number but that didn't bring up anything new.

[Mary from Italy]

Originally Posted by kiterunner

If I'm looking at the right John jr (mother's name Ruth, and with a brother Alfred), he is age 11 on the 1861 census, born Wolverhampton Staffordshire, and age 1 on the 1851 census, so he was born about 1849-1850, not 1852. There is a John Litherland birth registered Jan-Mar 1850 in Wolverhampton which is probably him. He has a brother Osborn age 3 on the 1851 census.

John and Ruth Litherland had 3 children baptised in the Wolverhampton area (Walter and Rebecca in 1845 and Alfred in 1852); it seems odd that John and Osborne would have been missed out.

http://www.wolverhamptonhistory.org....ile=011641.pdf

[kiterunner]

See Merry's post #8 for John's baptism, Mary.

[Novabird41]

Thank you very much for your quick response. It looks as though I need to amend some records. John snr. was my great gt. grandfather his wife was called Ruth nee Osborn. Their son Alfred was my great Grandfather I had his Dob as 1852, and his brother John O 1851. I had seen a 1911census where John Jnr was aged 62 a platelayer the census appeared to be from an institution but there was no name attached to the sheet. I will amend his Dob to 1849. I had no idea he had signed up again. John snr' asylum record made me wonder if he was mentally ill, there was no mention of this. Although his brother in law had been a patient in Wakefield asylum, but he was suffering from cancer. Osborn was his son he died aged 7 years old. Thank you for the updates, this is most interesting to me.

[Merry]

I will amend his Dob to 1849

John jr's baptism record says he was born on 19 Feb 1850 (see earlier post).

The 1911 census record for John jr is Leeds Union Infirmary, Beckett Street, Leeds (now St James' University Hospital, Leeds).

Asylums and workhouses often got used for inmates who these days would be in an ordinary hospital. John sr was only in the North Riding Asylum for a short time, so your best bet for finding out why he was there may come from his death cert.

[Novabird41]

Originally Posted by Mary from Italy

John and Ruth Litherland had 3 children baptised in the Wolverhampton area (Walter and Rebecca in 1845 and Alfred in 1852); it seems odd that John and Osborne would have been missed out.

http://www.wolverhamptonhistory.org....ile=011641.pdf

I don't have a record of Rebecca, that is strange. After Walter I have Osborn b1847 d1854. John O 1850.d1917. Alfred b 1852 d 1925 Frank b1853? He was born in Wolverhampton he was destitute at one point in the Workhouse in Spitalfields married with four children but later I lost track of him, his wife married again and his children adopted their stepfather,'s name. I only found this out recently when someone sent me the details of their time in the Workhouse. The last one was Sarah b1854.