John Litherland father and son.

[Novabird41]

I have recently come across a census showing that my Great Great Grandfather was a patient in the UK Lunacy Patients Admission Register 1846-1912 and that he died there on 14 August 1872 aged 60. He was a resident of Leeds. Is there any way I can find out more about this? I am also researching the death of his son John Osborn Litherland b 1852-1917 probably in Leeds, John O had fought with the Light Infantry 1876 in the 2nd Afghan war I believe he returned to England in 1881/2.

[kiterunner]

Hello and welcome to the forum, Novabird41. It looks as though the asylum where John Litherland sr was a patient was the North Riding Asylum, later called Clifton Hospital, and the records are held at the Borthwick Institute for Archives, link to their site below:
https://www.york.ac.uk/borthwick/hol...e-hold/health/

He doesn't seem to have been a patient there on the 1871 census but it says "N York" on the admission register (he was admitted 20 Jul 1872) and his death registration is York district, Bootham sub-district which included Clifton.

[Merry]

He was admitted as a pauper rather than as a private patient.

[James18]

Some of those records should be on Ancestry. On one of my family trees, I have both a mother and one of her daughters as being patients at Woking Asylum. Both are listed on census records there, and both have death records there, with the images available to view on Ancestry.

[kiterunner]

If I'm looking at the right John jr (mother's name Ruth, and with a brother Alfred), he is age 11 on the 1861 census, born Wolverhampton Staffordshire, and age 1 on the 1851 census, so he was born about 1849-1850, not 1852. There is a John Litherland birth registered Jan-Mar 1850 in Wolverhampton which is probably him. He has a brother Osborn age 3 on the 1851 census. There is a John Litherland death registered Jan-Mar 1917 in Leeds, age 67.

Findmypast website has an entry in their "1871 British Worldwide Army Index" for John Litherland, service number 1893, a Private in the 51st (2nd York, West Riding, The King's Own Light Infantry) Regiment of Foot, stationed at Curragh Camp, Ireland, but I can't find his actual service record on there at the moment, only what seems to be another John Litherland from Wolverhampton.

I can't find anything which says that John jr had a middle name though there are some John Osborn Litherlands in later generations.

If you want to know about his death then it looks as though your best bet will be to order a copy of his death certificate.

[kiterunner]

Originally Posted by James18

Some of those records should be on Ancestry. On one of my family trees, I have both a mother and one of her daughters as being patients at Woking Asylum. Both are listed on census records there, and both have death records there, with the images available to view on Ancestry.

Ancestry do have a Surrey Mental Hospital Records database, hence Woking, (I mean in addition to the Lunacy Patients Admission Register which is national) but it won't cover Yorkshire.

[Merry]

An image of the marriage cert for John Litherland senr and Ruth is available on ancestry. If you don't have it already I can post up the details.

[Merry]

There is a John Litherland birth registered Jan-Mar 1850 in Wolverhampton which is probably him.

This John wasn't baptised until 1862 (20 April 1862 St John the Evangelist, Leeds, no middle name) but his date of birth was given at the baptism as 19 Feb 1850, so that fits with the Q1 1850 registration. A brother, Frank was baptised the same day (dob 3 Dec 1853).

[Merry]

John O had fought with the Light Infantry 1876 in the 2nd Afghan war I believe he returned to England in 1881/2.

There's an army record on fmp for this John and it seems he rejoined the army and served 1887-1899.

[Merry]

Originally Posted by Merry

There's an army record on fmp for this John and it seems he rejoined the army and served 1887-1899.

Of his previous service it says he served 14 years 233 days in the 2nd Dorset regiment.