Grandfather st Helens 1871

[Merry]

I see she says she transcribed the burial record for Ann (and presumably the one for Isaac too) from the Lancashire Parish Register Society Microfiche. Did you realise those records are already transcriptions, not images of the PRs, according to the society webpage? Of course it is most likely correct that there is no further information recorded in the original record, but I have had instances in my own tree where years (decades?!) after accepting a typed transcription from a PR society as correct, I have been able to get access to an image of the PR only to find the transcription was incorrect or incomplete! It hasn't happened often, but it has happened.

In any case, it's unlikely Isaac's baptism is anywhere easy online as if it was you would have it by now.

Are you able to contact the person who recorded those burials to find out if they looked for Isaac's baptism anywhere not online? It would be helpful to know where it isn't! Also to check whether they have looked at any other records not available online apart from PRs and if so, what?

[Qwackers]

Hi , i will ask corinne ,she lives in the U.S.A . She will be able to say what she has discovered . The only isacc s births i've come up with on FS . Is the one in freckleton , and one in Hardshaw . St helens .

[kiterunner]

I think those are both the same person, aren't they?

[Qwackers]

I thought i had done a screenshot of each birth but can't find them .one birth was freckleton preston .and the other Hardshaw st. helens .

[Merry]

Yes, and they are both the same date and the same parents.

[kiterunner]

Well, some transcriptions show a different month, but that will be because the transcriber has misunderstood the old Quaker dates.

[Merry]

True, but the entry with the wrong month doesn't say Freckleton or Hardshaw (at least not on my search results!).

[Qwackers]

Do you Think that it could be isacc s ? , as our our tree owner doesn't think that the freckleton birth Is correct anyway because they are qwackers .and land owners in Antigua , and the eccleston clan are lowly colliers . I won't be able to go to lancashire archives now to check the microfiche ,because of lockdown .

[Merry]

No, I don't.

I googled Eccleston Antigua. The Quaker Isaac born in 1743 had a wife called Sarah who he was married to by about 1765. They had a daughter called Sarah who died soon after her marriage to John Kelsick, merchant of Antigua, in 1785 aged 19. Sarah senior was still living when her daughter died and the inference from the grave inscription is that they were all living in Antigua at that time.

The details of the inscription on Sarah junior's gravestone are here:

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/3878...-h/38788-h.htm

There's also lots of information that ties merchant Isaac with his brother Daniel who wrote to Isaac in Antigua in the 1770s and 1780s - a time when the other Isaac with a different wife was bringing up his children in Lancashire.
EDIT: Also.....

Here's a transcript of Isaac's will, written in Antigua:

Isaac Eccleston. Will dated 27 Oct. 1792. To my
Ex'ors 5 guineas each. All my estate to my wife Sarah,
whom with John Burke, Henry Dixon, W"" Entwisle of this
Island, John Dickson of Whitehaven, & Sam' Bradford of
Lancaster I appoint Ex'ors. Witnessed by Langford Lovell
Hodge, Peter B. Patterson. Before Edward Byam, Esq.,
was sworn L. L. Hodge, planter, 19 Oct. 1795. Recorded
20 Oct. 1795.

And a transcript of part of the will of his brother-in-law, Thomas Martin (Isaac's wife being Sarah Martin)

Thomas Martin of Queen Street, Golden Square, London.
Will dated 10 June 1789. A marble monument to be
erected to my wife Jane & sent to Jamaica in the parish
church of Kingston. To my mother Sarah Martin, now of
Antigua, £100 a year, also £50 c. for mourning. To my sister
Sarah Eccleston of Antigua £500 & my wife's gold repeat-
ing watch. To Isaac Eccleston, merch', husband of Sarah,
£50 for a ring.

Did you ever find anything concrete to tie your John Eccleston who died in 1837 to the Isaac we are looking for now?

[Qwackers]

what a interesting account ,but it looks like that isacc isn't ours . yes john Ekelstone does belong on our tree .I will have to see where he is on wiki tree . .thanks