John William Horseman

[kiterunner]

Originally Posted by Merry

I don't know if you need to go back (maybe not?) but James and his father were both Oxford alumni and died just four days apart.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...urn&pId=112490

Aren't they brothers?

[Phoenix]

Sounds as if the shock of one death killed the other. And given that they both appeared to marry women called Jones, I wonder if two brothers married two sisters?

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by kiterunner

Aren't they brothers?

Yes, and had tey survived another seven years, the other researchers could have seen they came from Oxfordshire. Their mother was Ursula Ironside, a name filtering down the years.

I note that James moved to Myddle, abandoning his furniture! in 1829. 1829 was a very busy year.

[Merry]

Originally Posted by kiterunner

Aren't they brothers?

Sorry, I misread something!

[Merry]

Is this the father?:

03 July 1806 - Saint James's Chronicle - London, London, England

June 25, at Souldern, Oxfordshire, in his 73d year, the Rev. John Horseman, B. D. upwards of 34 years Rector of that parish, and formerly Fellow of St. John's College, Cambrldge.
03 July 1806 - Saint James's Chronicle - London, London, England

Cambridge University Alumni, 1261-1900

Name: John Horseman
College: ST JOHN'S
Entered: 1751
Died: 25 Jun 1806
More Information: Adm. sizar (age 17) at ST JOHN'S, July 2, 1751. S. of James, clerk, of Durham. B. at Greatham. Educated by his father. Matric. 1751; B.A. 1755; M.A. 1758; B.D. 1766. Fellow, 1757-73. Ord. deacon (Lincoln) Sept. 19, 1756; priest (Durham) Sept. 25, 1757. R. of Soulderne, Oxon., 1772-1806. Died June 25, 1806. M.I. at Soulderne. (Scott. Mayor, III. 609.)

[Phoenix]

Yep, that's the boy. Married up in Durham and only had two (at least surviving) children.

John H married Emma and appeared to have one surviving daughter - with Ursula as a middle name after her paternal granny.

James H married Harriet and had 3 children reaching adulthood: "my" John William who married in 1829, Thomas Edmund who emigrated to Australia and Harriet who married William Kirkby and is living next door to Mum and Dad in 1841 (the enumerator made a complete hash of her surname)

[Macbev]

Do you have info re Thomas Edmund Horseman? If not, I can give you a bit from his time in Australia.

[Phoenix]

Ooh, it would be good to know when exactly he went out, and if he remained a surgeon.

Thanks, Bev

[Macbev]

I guess you have him on the 1851 census:82 Middle Wood, Middle, with wife Jane, dau Jane Harriet, stepsons Thos Williams and Joseph Cartwright and wife's aunt Jane Matthews. Thomas is a surgeon;General Practitioner.

I have a marriage cert for Thomas , surgeon, and Jane Cartwright (widow) 18 March 1846 at the parish church, Middle

Thomas E. surgeon, and Jane seem to have emigrated from Liverpool per 'Ottillia' with daughter Jane Harriet in 1852, bound for Port Philip (Melbourne).
https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/...=successSource

I think Jane may have died in Melbourne in 1858. The age given is right, but there are not enough details to be sure...you would have to get the death cert.
Thomas seems to have moved to Western Australia, but I can't find out when.

1877, T. Horseman copped a 14 day sentence in jail for being drunk and disorderly in Perth. Can't be sure it is your man, as he is listed as a labourer. although the age is about right.

1881 here is a death of a Thomas Edmund Horseman in WA, which is right for age, but again -you would need the death cert to be sure.

1896 -There is an inquiry as to the whereabouts of Thomas Edmund Horseman in Australian papers from Patersons, Snow, Bloxam & Kinder of Lincoln's-inn-fields, London. If he was still alive on the 24 May 1894, he was entitled to a share of the real and personal estate of one William Edward Jones



I have some of the images of the above if you want them....just PM an email address.


If I come across any other stuff i'll add it here.

[Macbev]

Jane Harriett Horseman was baptised 13 Feb 1848 Myddle Shrops
She emigrated with her parents in 1852


From this site: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/...arriett-taylor

Married William Edward Taylor (1838-1908) in1869 Victoria
Chn: William Edward Taylor 1870-1870
Thomas Edmund Taylor 1873-1873
Ernest Augustus Taylor 1875-1876
Alfred Horseman Taylor 1876-1962
Jane Horseman Taylor Young
1880-1921
Jessie Horseman Taylor 1883-1885

Died 25 Jun 1927 Perth WA