Possible breakthrough in Burton upon Trent!

[Merry]

Oh cripes! lol I hadn't realised that!! Obvious really when I think about it.

I'll make too many mistakes if I look at this then! Maybe tomorrow!!

[Mary from Italy]

Originally Posted by Merry

I can't find anything for 1768 though.

I could have sworn it was a Mary bap in 1768, but I've checked famsearch again, and it's Jemimah. The baptism in 1785 that you've given as Jeremiah is also listed as Jemimah by FS. They're both listed as female.

If you search FS, enter the place name as Burton*, which allows for all the possible spelling permutations of Burton on Trent (on, upon, with and without hyphens).

I didn't get around to checking all the duplicate entries yesterday, so I hadn't noticed that there were two children baptised in 1776. So either these are two different families, or they were twins, and one was baptised privately before the other because it was sickly.

[Merry]

Thanks Mary. Here's an updated list (I've found all the entries on Ancestry now, but don't understand why they didn't come up before)

Jemima 1768 (poss bur 1773)
Mary 1770
Geo 1773 (no burial in Burton before the other Geo bap)
Thomas 1776 (poss burial 1777)
Geo 1776 (bap three weeks after Thomas )
Sarah 1778
Thomas 1780
Benjamin 1783
Jemimah 1785
Wm 1786
Hannah 1778
Joseph 1791

[Mary from Italy]

Familysearch has a death for Hannah on 2 April 1794.

[Merry]

OK, thanks.

[Merry]

Marg has kindly been back to Burton Library and helped me further with this branch of my tree. She looked up a lot of entries for me, but this is the first bit I'm investigating:

I was concerned that my 2xg-grandfather, William Allen (the schoolmaster who died in 1843) had said "No" for Born in County on the 1841 census. He was living in Lichfield, Staffs at the time, so I was bothered that we had chosen a baptism in Burton (Staffs) 5th Nov 1786 as the right one for William (parents George Allen and Mary Astle). I asked Marg to look at this baptism to see if there was any other information included. There wasn't, but she did spot the following........

We already knew that George Allen and Mary Astle were married 3 Jan 1766 at St Modwen's Burton.

Thanks to Marg I have this additional info:

George Allen a bachelor of EGGINTON, DERBYSHIRE and Mary Astle a spinster of St Modwen's parish were married by licence on 3 Jan 1766.
They both signed the register. Witnesses were John Astle and ? Astle.

Following this marriage we had the following children baptised at St Modwen's Burton:

Jemima 13 Jan 1768 (poss bur 1773)
Mary 28 Dec 1770
Geo 11 Nov 1773 (no burial in Burton before the other Geo bap)
Thomas 2 Jun 1776 (poss burial 1777)
Geo 23 Jun 1776 (bap three weeks after Thomas )
Sarah 24 Apr 1778
Thomas 30 Apr 1780
Benjamin 1 Jan 1783
Jemimah 22 Jul 1785
William 5 Nov 1786
Hannah 23 Nov 1778
Joseph 17 Jul 1791

I've looked at online records for Egginton and found these two baptisms:

Jemima 3 Jan 1768
Hannah 9 Apr 1769

Could Jemima be the same child as the one bap above in Burton?

Is Hannah an additional child squeezed in between Jemima and Mary?

Did Wm bap 1786 think he was born in Derbyshire?

Remember William married Sarah Ames around the same time Benjamin married Mary Ames (1806) and so I thought they were probably brothers and sisters, but Benjamin knew he was from Burton and which county that was in!

[Merry]

I've found a burial in Burton 17 Jan 1778 for a Hannah Allen who could be the dau b 1769 who would need to have died by Nov 1778.

[Margaret in Burton]

Remember that Egginton is only 5 miles from Burton even though it's in a different county.
Jemima is an unusual name and I did find a burial at St Modwen's 5 May 1773 for Jemima daughter of George and Mary Allen. Also, a Sarah buried 19 May 1773 daughter of George and Mary Allen.

[Margaret in Burton]

Just because they were Baptised in Burton of course it doesn't mean they were born here. Burton is in a little corner of Staffordshire surrounded by Derbyshire. On the southern side the river Trent used to be the county boundary until about 1890. Stapenhill and Winshill which are now part of Burton and in Staffordshire used to be in Derbyshire. Annoying for me as I need some Winshill PR's and they are at Matlock which I can't get to. They don't even have copies at Derby local studies.

That's something Merry, I can get to Derby if there is anything there in the local studies library.

[Merry]

I feel this is all fitting together, Marg!

Where is Marchington? George (the one who was of Egginton when he married) should have been born about 1744/5 according to his age given at death. There's a George bap at Marchington in Nov 1744 son of George and Sarah Allen. There's a burial for a George Allen in Egginton 18 Apr 1765 which might be for the father.