Genealogists' Forum - We have branches everywhere!



Go Back   Genealogists' Forum - We have branches everywhere! > Research > Research Questions

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old 16-06-18, 20:09
kiterunner's Avatar
kiterunner kiterunner is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Nottingham
Posts: 25,270
Default

Isn't Joseph supposed to be born about 1833-4?
__________________
KiteRunner

Family History News updated 29th Feb
Findmypast 1871 census update
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 16-06-18, 20:17
kiterunner's Avatar
kiterunner kiterunner is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Nottingham
Posts: 25,270
Default

This looks to be his family in 1841:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...=successSource

Brushey Lane, Rainford, Prescot, Lancashire
John Whalley 40 Labourer Y
Mary Do 40 Y
Ellen Do 10 Y
Joseph Do 5 Y
Mary Do 4 Y
__________________
KiteRunner

Family History News updated 29th Feb
Findmypast 1871 census update
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 16-06-18, 20:17
Merry's Avatar
Merry Merry is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Near Christchurch, Dorset
Posts: 21,264
Default

If you check the GRO indexes for the children of Joseph and Mary Whalley, her maiden name is given as Peet, not Pink.

In 1851 there is a Mary Peet dau of George Peet b Orrell about 1838, so her details do match those of Mary Whalley, but not the marriage Allan found.

Having said that, I can't see a marriage between Mary Peet and Joseph Whalley, so perhaps she is a red herring?
__________________
Merry

"Something has been filled in that I didn't know was blank" Matthew Broderick WDYTYA? March 2010
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 16-06-18, 20:22
kiterunner's Avatar
kiterunner kiterunner is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Nottingham
Posts: 25,270
Default

This looks to be Joseph's baptism on ancestry:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...=successSource

Rainford Bishop's Transcripts:
Born 28 Apr 1833, baptised 26 May 1833, Joseph, son of John and Mary Whalley of Rainford, father's occupation husbandman.
__________________
KiteRunner

Family History News updated 29th Feb
Findmypast 1871 census update
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 16-06-18, 20:25
kiterunner's Avatar
kiterunner kiterunner is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Nottingham
Posts: 25,270
Default

Mary Pink seems to have been illegitimate as there are no father's details for her on her marriage to Joseph, so maybe one of her parents was a Peet and one a Pink?
__________________
KiteRunner

Family History News updated 29th Feb
Findmypast 1871 census update
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 16-06-18, 20:27
Merry's Avatar
Merry Merry is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Near Christchurch, Dorset
Posts: 21,264
Default

Yes, could be. The Pink marriage fits in all other ways...…..
__________________
Merry

"Something has been filled in that I didn't know was blank" Matthew Broderick WDYTYA? March 2010
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 17-06-18, 14:14
Qwackers Qwackers is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: over wyre coast
Posts: 1,243
Default

Thanks that s great , I think I know the lane in Rainford . That ticks the box , it's a strange thing regarding Mary pink , I thought it said he was a widower , on the online parish clerk . Could he have been married before and his first wife died ? And then he married Mary pink . It's a thought .
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 17-06-18, 14:19
Merry's Avatar
Merry Merry is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Near Christchurch, Dorset
Posts: 21,264
Default

Quote:
Could he have been married before and his first wife died ? And then he married Mary pink . It's a thought .
Sorry, we probably just assumed you would realise that without it being spelled out! I think there was an older child on the first census Mary appeared on, so you could check the GRO index for the mother's maiden name and then see if you can find the first marriage for Joseph.

EDIT

Here on 1861;

Billinge
Joseph Whalley, married, head, 27, labourer at the colliery, born Rainford
Mary Whalley, married, wife, 23, born Orrell
Ellen Whalley, unmarried, daughter, 7, scholar, born Orrell <<<<<<<<
__________________
Merry

"Something has been filled in that I didn't know was blank" Matthew Broderick WDYTYA? March 2010
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 17-06-18, 15:55
kiterunner's Avatar
kiterunner kiterunner is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Nottingham
Posts: 25,270
Default

I think this is his first marriage:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...nSearchResults

I thought I recognised the bride's name and that we had looked at it before, but maybe not?
12 Nov 1855 Wigan All Saints, Joseph Whalley 22 bachelor labourer, residence Upholland, father John Whalley labourer, and Nancy Bibby 26 spinster, residence Upholland, father William Bibby nail maker.

Then there is a Nancy Whalley death Jan-Mar 1857 Pemberton sub-district, age 29.
__________________
KiteRunner

Family History News updated 29th Feb
Findmypast 1871 census update
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 17-06-18, 16:07
Merry's Avatar
Merry Merry is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Near Christchurch, Dorset
Posts: 21,264
Default

I'm wondering if seven-year-old Ellen was actually aged one as she is 11 on the next census and there's a birth reg for her, mmn Peet.
__________________
Merry

"Something has been filled in that I didn't know was blank" Matthew Broderick WDYTYA? March 2010
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 14:45.


Hosted by Photon IT

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7 PL3
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.