place of birth ?

[kiterunner]

Just to add that Lancashire BMD has the John Larne / Ellen Grant marriage indexed as 1927 Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar Attended.

There is a public tree on ancestry with lots of information, though of course you would need to check everything:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tr...=successSource

[Phoenix]

Here is Kate in 1891 at 45 Thomas St

John Monagan Head Married Male 32 1859 Rigger Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Mary Monagan Wife Married Female 32 1859 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John Monagan Son Single Male 4 1887 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William Monagan Son Single Male 2 1889 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Kate Larne Lodger Married Female 28 1863 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England

[Phoenix]

This looks like Thomas in 1880/1881:

First name(s) Thomas
Last name Larne
Birth year 1846
Birth place Liverpool
Birth country England
Year 1880
Role Able Seaman
Vessel name Philomene
From date 11 Sep 1880
To date 30 Oct 1881
Previous port Cardiff
Previous vessel Stadacona
Previous vessel year 1880
Vessel official number 70956
Vessel registration port Liverpool
Port registry year 1875
Port registry number 110
Vessel type Sail
Gross tonnage 1465
Net tonnage 1423
Log book N
Master's first name(s) C G
Master's last name Cross
Owner's last name H Fernie & Son
Owner's town Liverpool
Owner's county Lancashire
Owner's country England
Record source The National Archives
Document type Eng 1
Archive reference BT99/1324
Record set England & Wales Merchant Navy Crew Lists 1861-1913
Category Education & work
Subcategory Merchant Navy & Maritime
Collections from Great Britain, UK None

[Tilly Mint]

Just to tie in with Phoenex post....

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Philomene

[Phoenix]

This appears to be Thomas' birth: Births Dec 1846 (>99%)
Laugham Thomas Cardigan 27 50
Mother's maiden name Thomas.

and his parents, David Laugharn married Elizabeth Thomas 27 June 1831 in Dinas, Pembrokeshire.

Elzabeth died in 1849.

The LARNE/LAUGHARN family appear to be Welsh, back to the early 1800s.

[Phoenix]

This is Thomas' sister Elizabeth:

LARN, ELIZABETH THOMAS
GRO Reference: 1839 S Quarter in THE CARDIGAN UNION Volume 27 Page 43

His brother John:
LARN, JOHN THOMAS
GRO Reference: 1842 J Quarter in OF THE CARDIGAN UNION Volume 27 Page 54

Thomas himself:
LAUGHAM, THOMAS THOMAS
GRO Reference: 1846 D Quarter in THE CARDIGAN UNION Volume 27 Page 50

and Elizabeth's death:
LAUGHARN, ELIZABETH 43
GRO Reference: 1849 D Quarter in CARDIGAN Volume 27 Page 28

[garstonite]

Thank you all so very much - but I am back to where I started ..lol..was he born in Pembrokeshire - or - Liverpool ..very conflicting census results ...so I spoke to the Landlady and family talk was that he was a Mariner - Merchant Navy .... I will try and dig deeper - thank you all again

[Merry]

Allan, Note that if Phoenix has the right birth registrations, then the 1861 census entry I posted at #4 is not for the right Thomas as I think that one has mmn John (only the two younger children of the four on the 1861 census are registered and they are from Haverford West District).

The family Phoenix found are in Dinas, Pembrokeshire in 1851, spelled Laughan.

If only we could find a marriage record for Thomas to Catherine nee Atkinson around 1888 to confirm his father's name .....

EDIT: I can confirm the marriage of a Kate Atkinson to a chap called Thomas Hedley in 1888 in Liverpool is not the right Catherine as she is with her husband on every census thereafter.

Another EDIT - the Post #4 Thomas is not the one. Looks like the Dinas family are very likely to be the correct people. See Post #20

[Phoenix]

Without Thomas' marriage, we are pretty well stumped.

I assume that he was using the Larne spelling from as soon as he joined the merchant navy.

You would know better than me, Allan, but if John's mother was Irish in origin, and he was brought up RC, wouldn't he assume his father was Irish too? As Dinas is on the coast, very close to Fishguard, the odds are that his family WAS Irish, but a bit further back in time than one might have thought.

I don't have problems with differences in birthplace. It often depends on how the question is asked. If a man is shown with his birthplace being where he is living in one set of records, but an entirely different location in another set of records, I would assume that he wasn't native to where he lived, simply because it is so much easier to say you are a local.

[Merry]

Phoenix, what about this 1861 census entry?!!

(this is Ancestry's spelling - on the image it is Larns)

Thomas Jarn b abt 1847 Dinas, Pembrokeshire, Wales, occ Boy O Seaman (Boy) Vessels (The 'John Milford'), Breconshire