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The Thomas from post #7 is at the Forester's Arms, 99 London St, in 1891, and his occupation is Beer House Keeper. Daughter Ellen isn't with them.
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/65...nSearchResults

and in 1871 he was a greengrocer:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/76...nSearchResults
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Charlotte's age is recorded as 22, 31 and 41 in the 1891, 1901 and 1911 censuses. Find My Past has Charlotte Ellen Eighteen, age 53, buried on 19 January 1923, London Road Cemetery. Residence: 30 Leopold Road. Therefore a birth year of 1870 give or take a couple of years seems likely. In each of the census records, her birthplace is Reading.

There is a birth of a Charlotte E Ada Smith registered in the first quarter of 1870 in Reading. So far, I haven't found her in the census records prior to her marriage.

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This is very interesting information, Kate. Appreciated.

I wonder, can you find them on the 1871 census? If it turns out Charlotte/Ellen wasn't born in Reading after all (as I'd been led to believe) then that may explain why I've not been able to find a birth index for her.

Well, that and the fact she's down as just being an Ellen Smith.

EDIT: Sorry, just saw the 1871 link. Likely was born in Reading, then.

So we're looking for an Ellen Smith, c. 1869?
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Charlotte's age is recorded as 22, 31 and 41 in the 1891, 1901 and 1911 censuses. Find My Past has Charlotte Ellen Eighteen, age 53, buried on 19 January 1923, London Road Cemetery. Residence: 30 Leopold Road. Therefore a birth year of 1870 give or take a couple of years seems likely.

There is a birth of a Charlotte E Ada Smith registered in the first quarter of 1870 in Reading. So far, I haven't found her in the census records prior to her marriage.
Yes, this is the information I already had.

Charlotte E Ada Smith is, I believe, the daughter of Fortunatus Smith, and a red herring. I won't rule it out, but I don't think it's her.
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Okay, here's a theory...

I know that children were often baptized together rather than individually, and I have a baptism record for three of my grandfather's brothers being baptized on the same day, despite being born a few years apart.

I found a baptism record for a Charlotte Ellen Smith here. What do we think to the idea that she was born Ellen Smith c1869, but was baptized - perhaps with some of her siblings - and given the name Charlotte in 1876?

That gives us the right name, the right location, and the right parents.
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The 1887 Reading directory (Kelly's Directory of Berkshire, on the Historical Directories website) has "Smith, Thomas, fruiterer, 22 Castle Street", who I should think is the same Thomas as in posts #7 and #11. But no closer to finding out whether he is your Thomas!
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Okay, here's a theory...

I know that children were often baptized together rather than individually, and I have a baptism record for three of my grandfather's brothers being baptized on the same day, despite being born a few years apart.

I found a baptism record for a Charlotte Ellen Smith here. What do we think to the idea that she was born Ellen Smith c1869, but was baptized - perhaps with some of her siblings - and given the name Charlotte in 1876?

That gives us the right name, the right location, and the right parents.
If you search that database (taken from FamilySearch) for children of Thomas and Mary Smith in Reading, you will see that Annie Maria and Rose were baptised on the same day as Charlotte Ellen, so it does indeed look like the same family that I found on the censuses.
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That would make sense, although sadly I still can't find a birth index.

Still, at least we know (or at least have a good reason to think) we're looking for an Ellen Smith, rather than a Charlotte.
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The fact that she is called Ellen on the censuses doesn't necessarily mean that her birth was registered as Ellen - could just be that she was officially Charlotte Ellen but known as Ellen.

Also, bear in mind that it wasn't compulsory to register a birth until 1875, so it could be that Charlotte Ellen wasn't registered.

She is age 1 on the 1871 census and has a younger sister Henrietta, age 1 month.

Looking on the Berkshire BMD site, I can't see a birth registration for Henrietta in 1871.

The age difference between Thomas and Mary does make me wonder whether Mary was married before, though. Hopefully the others in the household in 1871 can help with tracing her, though I'm off to eat soon:

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32 St Mary's Butts, Reading
Thomas Smith Head Mar 24 Greengrocer Oxon Cropredy
Mary Smith Wife Mar 29 Do's Wife Oxon Denton
Ellen Smith Daughter 1 Berks Reading
Henrietta Smith Daughter 1 mo Berks Reading
Annie Preedy Sis in Law Widow 28 Oxon Bandicutt
Fanny Preedy Niece 4 Surry Croydon
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Hmm, there are possible birth regs for Rose (1872) and Anne Maria on Berkshire BMD, though the one for Anne Maria is Maria A F (1876). But with a name like Smith, it's so easy to go wrong.
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