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Old 14-05-13, 16:13
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I understood the medals were forfeited because he didn't serve abroad and I'm fairly certain that came from someone who should know, but will have to ask OH when he gets home. All the letters JH wrote to his fiancée in 1917 and 1918 were written from army hospitals (bronchitis again) or garrisons in the UK.
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Old 14-05-13, 16:15
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or forfeited their campaign medals due to a disciplinary infringement.
I would be surprised if this turned out to be the reason!!
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Old 14-05-13, 16:19
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He did serve overseas!

Here is the record for his Silver War Badge:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?h...src=&pid=25705


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Hamilton, John
6B Res Bde
Enlisted: 26 Dec 1914
Discharged: 3 Dec 1917
Reason for discharge: sickness
Age: 23
Whether served overseas: Yes
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Most of the references on the 1914-18 forum to medal forfeiture relate to desertion, but I thought this was interesting:

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According to the Who Do You Think You Are? episode with the gorgeous Patsy Kensit, medals were forfeit for any criminal conviction - not just murder - anything that brought the good name of the Army into disrepute.
Her paternal grandfather forfeited his WW1 medals on being sent down for 3 years for robbery in February 1921.
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/fo...owtopic=146705
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Old 14-05-13, 16:46
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He did serve overseas!

Here is the record for his Silver War Badge:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?h...src=&pid=25705


56967
Gunner
Hamilton, John
6B Res Bde
Enlisted: 26 Dec 1914
Discharged: 3 Dec 1917
Reason for discharge: sickness
Age: 23
Whether served overseas: Yes
Yes, we knew about that, but were told it was withdrawn because he didn't serve abroad and the issue was in error.
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That's what I was thinking, Mary.

If the John Hamilton who was given 12 months hard labour for stealing Mr Harryman's car is Merry's OH's mysterious John Claude Hamilton, then that would explain why the medals were forfeited.

Initially, John Hamilton was a driver with the RFA - that may refer to horses, but could mean he drove a motorised vehicle.

The 'gang' would have needed a driver in order to make off with Mr Harryman's car.
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Old 14-05-13, 16:55
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OH says the person who told us the reason for the retraction of the medals was a professional researcher working at TNA who we employed to find (try and find!) JH's army service papers about ten years ago. The army papers did not survive.
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Old 14-05-13, 17:01
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I didn't realise they could retract the medals years after they were earned!

The criminal is definitely our JH!! When he was involved I stealing the rolls of fabric in Bristol (mentioned in the papers re stealing Mr Harryman's car) the newspaper reporter stated he was from Cork and was know to the police in Southampton and was a ships fireman, which fit our man exactly.

My poor mother-in-law was born a week into his second prison term
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OH says the person who told us the reason for the retraction of the medals was a professional researcher working at TNA who we employed to find (try and find!) JH's army service papers about ten years ago. The army papers did not survive.
Looking at the time line on the card:

18 Aug 1920
Reference to the BW and VM (British War Medal and Victory Medal).

20 Nov 1921
Officer in command Royal Horse and Royal Field Artillery receives enquiries re forfeiture of medals.

22 Dec 1921
BW and VM returned without letter.

3 Feb 1922
The CR under this date ref has been puzzling me. Could it mean 'criminal record'?

There is no mention of the 1915 Star of Silver War Medal being returned.
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3 Feb 1922
The CR under this date ref has been puzzling me. Could it mean 'criminal record'?
Could it be Clasp and Roses?
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