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10-06-14, 18:41
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Marg, GENUKI says Holy Trinity wasn't built until 1824, so the baptism should be at St Modwen's.
So, at the moment we have: Arthur Ames Allen 1818 father schoolmaster, occ schoolmaster Edwin Allen 1810 father schoolmaster, occ solicitor and William Allen abt 1808 father of Hannah Ames Allen, occ cabinet maker/decorator
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10-06-14, 18:51
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I would not be put off by the occupation, I have an ancestor around that date who was a cabinet maker and there was quite a bit of money around, he was son of an alderman, and had well educated children who married very well.
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10-06-14, 19:24
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Quote:
Edit. Yes you are correct. I'll check St Modwen's on Thursday..
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10-06-14, 19:31
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Hmmm.......
My Wm Allen's children made the following marriages Hannah Ames Allen to George Stooke accountant/house agent (she was a second wife and he was 18 years older). His estate £3500 Edwin Allen didn't marry, painter decorator and paper hanger. Ended up in an asylum. Estate under £161 Mary Ann Allen to George Wilshire a carpenter (he was almost 30 years older). Later she married Henry Dunford a hay cutter, but she died the quarter following the marriage. Annie Allen married Edwin Flower Mitchell ( they are my ancestors) Edwin was a stone mason and later a publican. Elizabeth Lakin Allen to Charles William Adams who had various jobs, the best of which was probably a clothiers buyer.
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10-06-14, 20:35
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I wonder if any of the other children of William Allen and Sarah Ames could provide any clues.
This is the list of baptisms for possible children born to the couple: William, 1808 on Burton upon Trent Edwin, 21 Jan 1810, St Mary's Lichfield Thomas, 29 Dec 1811, ditto Harriet, 15 Sept 1813, ditto John, 5 March 1815, ditto Mary, 19 Jan 1817, ditto Arthur, 8 June 1818, St Michael's Lichfield Richard, 20 April 1820, St Mary's Lichfield Frederick, 25 Dec 1821, ditto Sarah, 3 April 1825, ditto Louisa, 19 Nov 1826, ditto Emma, 22 March 1831, ditto
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10-06-14, 21:09
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I'd been through all those, but didn't get a lot more information. I was going to go through the pre 1837 burials which I think are on fmp to see what if any can be eliminated, but haven't had time yet!
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10-06-14, 21:45
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William, 1808 on Burton upon Trent - cabinet maker
Edwin, 21 Jan 1810, St Mary's Lichfield - solicitor Thomas, 29 Dec 1811, ditto - not found Harriet, 15 Sept 1813, ditto - possibly buried 1814 John, 5 March 1815, ditto - possibly bricklayers labourer Mary, 19 Jan 1817, ditto - not found Arthur, 8 June 1818, St Michael's Lichfield - schoolmaster Richard, 20 April 1820, St Mary's Lichfield - not found Frederick, 25 Dec 1821, ditto - not found Sarah, 3 April 1825, ditto - not found Louisa, 19 Nov 1826, ditto - not found Emma, 22 March 1831, ditto - possibly buried 1835 Mother Sarah likely burial 26 Mar 1831 aged 42.
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10-06-14, 22:20
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This could be Louisa in 1841 (bottom of left-hand page):
1841 census
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10-06-14, 22:32
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And this could be her in 1851 (but name is Laura - someone has corrected it to Louisa on ancestry though, so maybe they know something) - there is a Peter Minshall / Louisa Allen marriage 12 Mar 1848 St Peter's, Wolverhampton, and FamilySearch says Louisa's father was William Allen. Their first child seems to have been called Major Frederic Darling Minshall and was christened about 5 weeks after Peter and Louisa's wedding.
1851 census Peter Minshall is a day labourer on the census.
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10-06-14, 22:35
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Oh, FreeREG has a transcription of Louisa's marriage (with Peter's surname as Minshull) and it is definitely the right Louisa as her father is a school master. Peter's father is a farmer and Peter also a farmer on the marriage, with his abode being Astbury Cheshire. Witnesses F W Allen and Mary Allen. By licence.
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