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Isaac Sage (Week 5 - FFMFF)
Name - "official" name and what they were known as
Isaac Sage Date and place of birth Unknown Names of parents Unknown Date and place of baptism - if applicable Unknown Details of each of his or her marriages - if any Wife's name is Elizabeth. Possible marriage: to Elizabeth Collyer 12th May 1799 at St Michael's Bath. Witnesses Charles Russell and Thomas Watts. However, unless I find more children for my Isaac, I doubt this marriage is the right one. Occupation(s) - if any 1815 collier 1840 (at son's marriage) postman (is that to do with mail or mining - maybe two words? post man?) Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK) - and please list which censuses you have or haven't found him/her on (if s/he lived in census times!). Unknown Date, place and cause of death Unknown Date and place of burial. Unknown Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable Unknown Memorial inscription - if any Unknown The baps I have for his children are: 5th Mch 1815 at Clutton, George son of Isaac and Elizabeth Sage 15th Oct 1817 at Clutton, William .........ditto
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Merry, do you know if he was still alive in 1840 when his son married?
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I think it's unlikely, Elizabeth. It's a while since I last looked, but there are very few death registrations or appearances on the 1841 census and I think I checked out anything I found and either eliminated them or had no evidence whatsoever to make a link.
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Annoyingly, there are burials for Isaac and Elizabeth Sage in Clutton (NBI) but both about three or four years before those two children were baptised. At the time I first found those I thought I could 100% ignore them, but since them I found a bap for a child in London (nothing to do with this family) who definitely had two dead parents, but you wouldn't know it from the baptism entry! So, now I keep wondering about the Clutton people.
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Ah, I'd forgotten about this other snippet......
The witnesses to the 1840 marriage of my 2xg-grandparents (George Sage, Isaac's son and Eliza Easton) were Isabella Sage and Edward Weeks. When I got George and Eliza's cert about ten years ago I didn't have access to much to help me, but wondered who Isabella Sage was and thought she might have been George's mother (but I now know she was Elizabeth). George and Eliza's firstborn was also called Isabella Sage. I've just realised Isabella Sage (the witness) and Edward Weeks appear here: Marriages Jun 1849 Allies Ann Dalton Clifton 11 385 Allies Anne Dalton Clifton 11 385 Bevan Elizabeth Catherine Clifton 11 385 Carpenter Caroline Clifton 11 385 Fripp Alfred Downing Clifton 11 385 Hodges Isaac Clifton 11 385 Perry Charles Clifton 11 385 Sage Isabella Clifton 11 385 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Weeks Edward Clifton 11 385 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< and more importantly, here: Groom's Name: Edward Weeks Bride's Name: Isabella Sage Marriage Date: 25 Apr 1849 Marriage Place: Clifton, Bristol, England Groom's Father's Name: Thomas Weeks Bride's Father's Name: Isaac Sage Groom's Marital Status: Single Bride's Marital Status: Single Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00932-2 System Origin: England-EASy Source Film Number: 1749587 Reference Number: Pg. 203, cn 405 Collection: England Marriages, 1538–1973 So, it would seem Isabella is likely to be George's sister! Maybe an age and baptism for her would help sort out.........well, something!
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1851 census:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?h...=&pid=17211440 SO, Isabella seems to be younger than her brothers, suggesting the marriage I found for Isaac and Elizabeth is not the right one as it's probably too early (glad about that as I wasn't comfortable with it) and I can surely forget all about Isaac and Elizabeth dying before their children were baptised!! lol
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I'm stuck then (coming forward) as I thought this Edward Weeks (1861) married to Roberta P:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?h...c=&pid=5803809 and this one (1871) married to Phillis: http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?h...=&pid=12815910 was perhaps previously married to my Isabella, but it turns out this Edward had been married ages: Marriages Dec 1842 BULL James Stepney 2 442 KIRK Mary Stepney 2 442 Maxwell Roberta Phillis Stepney 2 442 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Miller Charles Stepney 2 442 Russell Mary Ann Stepney 2 442 Turner Thomas Stepney 2 442 Weeks Edward Stepney 2 442 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< West Amelia Stepney 2 442 and both couples appear separately in 1851.
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I hoped this Isabella Sage would lead me to more family via the 1841 census but I can't see her (or a likely candidate)
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Drat. I've found Isabella in 1861 and she is widow and is aged 46, so now she is older than her brothers.
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?h...=&pid=19384129
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Can anyone find these?
Groom's Name: William Roberis Groom's Birth Date: Groom's Birthplace: Groom's Age: Bride's Name: Joanna Griffith Bride's Birth Date: Bride's Birthplace: Bride's Age: Marriage Date: 1840 Marriage Place: St. Michaels, Bristol, Gloucester, England Groom's Father's Name: Thomas Roberts Groom's Mother's Name: Bride's Father's Name: Isaac Sage Bride's Mother's Name: Groom's Race: Groom's Marital Status: Groom's Previous Wife's Name: Bride's Race: Bride's Marital Status: Bride's Previous Husband's Name: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M17256-2 System Origin: England-VR Source Film Number: 1595867 Reference Number: 2:1MHF9DP Collection: England Marriages, 1538–1973
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