Genealogists' Forum - We have branches everywhere!



Go Back   Genealogists' Forum - We have branches everywhere! > Research > Research Questions

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 16-01-21, 20:23
Phoenix's Avatar
Phoenix Phoenix is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 6,639
Default George Locke, seaman

Caroline Sarah Walter was born in Portsmouth in 1860, daughter of George Walter and Elizabeth Robinson.

She married George Locke 5 October 1879 at St Marys Portsea.
George was described as a seaman, son of Alfred Johnson Locke, painter. George's address was HMS Excellent, Caroline living at 27 Brighton Street Portsea.
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/reco...2F00183149%2F2


In 1881, Caroline's name is given as Catherine and she is a sailor's wife aged 21, lodging at 61 Belgrave St with daughters Catherine [Caroline Elizabeth Boon WALTERS] aged 3 and Ada aged 6 months

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/reco...1%2F0005568221


By 1891 Caroline is at 1 Riga Terrace aged 32 and the family has expanded to include George Walter Aylmer Locke b 1885 and Charles Alma Everett Locke b 1889 https://search.findmypast.co.uk/reco...1%2F0006707780


Little Charles was buried 2 May 1891 from Wellington Row Landport.


It looks as if the family moved to West Ham:
Charles William was born 1893 and buried 20 January 1893 in Newham
Caroline Sarah was buried 24 January 1893 in Newham, aged 32.


George Walter was bp 12 February 1893 at Harrow Green, West Ham and by 1901 was in the navy. He actually signed up for 12 years in 1903.


Ada was baptised at the same time


George the father was born 22 December 1855 in St Pancras, according to his naval record:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...438&pId=792153


It looks as if George remarried: to Jessie Esslemont in Aberdeen, according to a couple of online trees, when he gave his parents' names as George Locke and Caroline Sarah Green



So, can anyone find George on any census before 1901? Or his birth? Or his baptism?
__________________
The chestnuts cast their flambeaux
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 16-01-21, 22:19
kiterunner's Avatar
kiterunner kiterunner is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Nottingham
Posts: 25,298
Default

Do you know what he gave his father's occupation as on the marriage to Jessie?

There is this family in 1861:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...ce&pId=5259767

Starts right at the bottom of the page and continues on the next one. Father is George Lock, 30, a plasterer, born Pancras, mother Harriet 34, born Tenterden, Kent, children James 15, Harriet 11 (both born Middlesex St Martins), and George 7.
__________________
KiteRunner

Family History News updated 29th Feb
Findmypast 1871 census update
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 16-01-21, 22:24
kiterunner's Avatar
kiterunner kiterunner is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Nottingham
Posts: 25,298
Default

This looks to be the baptism for the George from the 1861 census:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...ce&pId=1537705

12 Feb 1862 St Luke, Berwick Street, Westminster, dob 23 Mar 1854, George son of George and Harriet Elizabeth Lock, 16 Little Earl St, plasterer.
__________________
KiteRunner

Family History News updated 29th Feb
Findmypast 1871 census update
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 16-01-21, 22:26
kiterunner's Avatar
kiterunner kiterunner is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Nottingham
Posts: 25,298
Default

There is a George Lock birth registered Apr-Jun 1854 Pancras, MMN Watson.
__________________
KiteRunner

Family History News updated 29th Feb
Findmypast 1871 census update
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 17-01-21, 10:53
merleyone merleyone is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 38
Default

George Locke, 40, Petty Officer, Royal Navy, m, Jessie Esslemont, 26, Spinster, on 20/4/1895 at 169 King Street, Aberdeen. His parents were George Locke, Soldier, decd, and Caroline Sarah Locke nee Green, decd.
George's usual address was also recorded as HMS Clyde, Aberdeen.

This must be the right man.


merleyone
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 17-01-21, 11:36
Phoenix's Avatar
Phoenix Phoenix is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 6,639
Default

Ooh, I hate families like this. If that is the right George (and he is nearly two years older than he claims to be) then his mother's name is wrong in all aspects. I cannot find a Lock/Watson marriage. I cannot find the other children in 1851. (presumably prior to Harriet's liaison with George Locke senior.) I cannot find a George Lock marriage to Harriet Elizabeth. I cannot find George senior in 1851. Nor, of course, does he spring to the attention in 1871.Nor does George junior.

Thanks for looking, Kite.
__________________
The chestnuts cast their flambeaux
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 17-01-21, 11:54
Phoenix's Avatar
Phoenix Phoenix is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 6,639
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by merleyone View Post
George Locke, 40, Petty Officer, Royal Navy, m, Jessie Esslemont, 26, Spinster, on 20/4/1895 at 169 King Street, Aberdeen. His parents were George Locke, Soldier, decd, and Caroline Sarah Locke nee Green, decd.
George's usual address was also recorded as HMS Clyde, Aberdeen.

This must be the right man.


merleyone
Thank you, merleyone. Yes, he was a Petty Officer on the Clyde at that date. How convenient that neither parent could speak!
__________________
The chestnuts cast their flambeaux
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 17-01-21, 14:09
kiterunner's Avatar
kiterunner kiterunner is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Nottingham
Posts: 25,298
Default

This could be George sr in 1871, at St Giles in the Fields - in 1861, I think his age had been changed from 26 to 30.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...e&pId=11668054

George Lock Head Mar 35 Plasterer Middlesex St Pancras
Charlotte Do Wife Do 34 Needlewoman Do Marylebone.
__________________
KiteRunner

Family History News updated 29th Feb
Findmypast 1871 census update
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 17-01-21, 14:41
kiterunner's Avatar
kiterunner kiterunner is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Nottingham
Posts: 25,298
Default

There is a Harriet Emily Mansfield baptised 20 Dec 1849 at St Martin in the Fields, dob 25 Nov, mother Harriet Elizabeth Mansfield, workhouse. On the GRO birth index the MMN is a - indicating illegitimate. There is also a James Mansfield (James Mansfield Mansfield, according to the GRO website) birth registered Apr-Jun 1845 St Martin, also with MMN -. I haven't found his baptism yet. But they do fit nicely with the older children on the 1861 census.
__________________
KiteRunner

Family History News updated 29th Feb
Findmypast 1871 census update
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 17-01-21, 14:47
kiterunner's Avatar
kiterunner kiterunner is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Nottingham
Posts: 25,298
Default

Ah, here they are in 1851:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...turn&pId=77017

Harriett Mansfield Head Widow 26 Chairwoman Tenderden Kent
James Do Son 6 St Martins Middlesex
Elizabeth Do Daur 1 Do Do.

No wonder I never found them by looking for a family with a 1 year old daughter named Harriet.
__________________
KiteRunner

Family History News updated 29th Feb
Findmypast 1871 census update
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 03:56.


Hosted by Photon IT

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7 PL3
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.