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finding James father
I have come across a problem in that James marsh born Nov 1807 and christened in 1808 in St Helens Lancashire has his mother is shown as Mary no surname but I cannot find his father. Any help with finding his father's or his mother's surname would be most helpful.
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Is this about the James Marsh who married Mary Houghton in 1831? I think you previously believed this was his baptism (thread from 2020):
Name: James Marsh Gender: Male Birth Date: 10 Oct 1808 Baptism Date: 6 Nov 1808 Baptism Place: Saint Helens,Lancashire,England Father: George Marsh Have you managed to eliminate this baptism?
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I can't find the PR image (for the baptism mentioned in post #1) on any site apart from on FamilySearch which has two films 107327871 and 107327873 covering St Helens baptisms and burials 1713-1812 and 1778-1812, but those are locked and it doesn't even say they can be viewed at FamilySearch Centres.
If I am looking at the right transcription on FamilySearch and on Ancestry, it says he was born 11 Oct 1807 and baptised 1 Nov 1807 (not born Nov 1807 and baptised 1808) and gives his mother's name as Mary Marsh. I would imagine that he was illegitimate and that there is no record of the father's name. Where have you found the version of the record where his mother's surname is not given?
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Is one of James's children your ancestor? If yes and they are one of the children born after 1837, do you have the birth cert?
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There is an entry in the Lancashire Archives Catalogue dated 3 Nov 1807: Sutton. Order of filiation and maintenance of James, bastard child of Thomas Unsworth of Whiston, servant, and Mary Marsh, singlewoman. It comes under Wigan.
https://archivecat.lancashire.gov.uk...58%2f88&pos=34
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I just looked at the number of Ancestry trees with James Marsh and Mary Houghton recorded. 75 trees and at least six different couples taken to be James's parents (and I didn't look at all 75!).
1851 James 44 b Parr, Lancs 1861 James 54 b Sutton, Lancs 1871 James 63 b St Helen's, Lancs 1881 James 73 b St Helen's, Lancs 1886 24 Jan (probate index), death reg aged 78 Also same age on gravestone: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/mediaui-v...5-c9f67ee85250 So, from the above, April 1806-April 1808 would appear to cover his date of birth, but we can't tell how accurate those records are. For what it's worth, the age of James's dau, Mary Ann, on the grave is correct as she is shown as aged 6 months for the 1841 census. The witnesses at the 1831 wedding don't seem to help... James Southern (serial witness) and Samuel Daniels, who may be the chap in St Helens aged 40 on the 1841 census (married Elizabeth Banks in 1827).
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Thank you everyone I think kiterunner has found him.
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Thank you Merry for that bit of information on his daughter Mary Ann didn't know she had died so young. I did have a membership of Ancestry but it ran out in Feb before I got to my Marsh family, been researching Bennett, Horton, and Danson families in the last couple of years. I tend to wait for offers and then join Ancestry. So I am sitting back and waiting.
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How do you know James isn't the son of George? Have you been able to eliminate that James?
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Merry "Something has been filled in that I didn't know was blank" Matthew Broderick WDYTYA? March 2010 |
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His children are on my wife's side of the family. By researching back with the information the family has we know that James' child William was the father of my wife's Grandfather.
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