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01-02-21, 15:54
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And also for ref the 1939 Register for John and Annie:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...8&pId=23525479 Main Street, Settle Alcock John dob 27 Feb 1862 Quarryman retired Alcock Ann dob 27 Oct 1874 Household duties unpaid 
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01-02-21, 15:58
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There is a John Alcock birth registration Jan-Mar 1862 Cheadle (the district which included Cauldon, Staffordshire). There are various Ann Pickford birth registrations at Leek, but not in the Oct-Dec quarter of 1874.
I agree you should get the 1939 marriage certificate to see their fathers' details etc.
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01-02-21, 16:17
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And this looks like John in 1901 but unmarried (I know this has been mentioned before, but just so we have the link close to hand):
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...e&pId=19354824 Harper Hill, Hartington Upper Quarter, Derbyshire George Collis Head M 39 Longstone quarryman Cauldon Lowe, Cheadle Elizabeth Do Wife M 33 Cauldon, Ashbourne [several children] John Allcock Cousin S 39 Longstone quarryman Cauldon, Ashbourne, Staffs
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01-02-21, 16:20
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There are 1871 and 1881 census entries for a John Allcock born about 1862 at Cauldon with parents Samuel and Ann(e), but you will want to see whether his father's name is Samuel on his marriage cert before doing much with those.
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01-02-21, 18:04
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I can't find a marriage around 1899 (which would tie in with the 1901 census information - married 12 years).
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01-02-21, 18:20
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John, Kite Merry and I all think that although John and Annie were together from at least 1911, they did not marry until 1939.
When the enumerator left the form in 1911, they could say that they weren't married - and brace themselves for what followed - or to state what the neighbours probably thought: that they had been married for years.
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01-02-21, 18:21
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03-02-21, 17:08
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I also discovered Ann Pickford back with her parents at the same time (1901) in the same hamlet. This is obviously where they would have met. I've also traced Ann back to her birth (and a couple of generations back). The only query now is why they both moved to Settle (1911 census). John was 12 years older than Ann - what was the attraction? I am awaiting delivery of John & Ann's marriage in 1939 and if the fathers' names given on that tie up with my research I feel confident I have the right people. I'm struggling to find deaths for John or Ann. I do have a death in Wirral for Ann Allcock in 1952. Betsy and her husband lived in West Kirby, Wirral after the war and I do know that at some point they had Betsy's mother staying with them for a while. Maybe she died while she was there? I think I may order a copy of that death certificate to check. As for John, I have no idea.
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03-02-21, 17:37
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Maybe one of them was married to someone else and they ran away together? Then had to wait for the spouse to die before they could marry each other.
I had a look for John's death registration the other day but nothing obvious. Let us know when you get more certificates!
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04-02-21, 17:13
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I found Ann in Wirral Q2 1952 and now I've found John in Wiral Q1 1952. Maybe they were both in poor health and staying with Betsy and died within a couple of months of each other? I will wait until I get the death certificate for Ann and if it's the right person I will order John's.
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