Betsy Marie Allcock

[Phoenix]

There do not appear to be any siblings for Betsy (using the GRO website)

There are no clear candidates for Betsy's parents. This could mean that her mother married as a widow, but also possibly that her parents had never married.

The latter probably didn't matter until there was talk of ration books and war. It might also be the case that one party was not in a position to marry when Betsy was born.

This is all speculation in the absence of evidence one way or the other.

[Merry]

My money is on John and Annie Al(l)cock who are living at Langcliffe nr Settle in 1911 and are still in the same house (by the look of it!) in 1939. In 1911 they say they have been married 12 years, no children, but in 1901 there seems to be no sign of them as a couple but there is a possible match for John but he's recorded as unmarried.

I have been looking for ways to prove they are Betsy's parents, but nothing as yet other than getting Betsy's certificates.

[JohnS]

I've ordered a copy of her birth certificate and will update when I receive it.

I have a photo of Betsy's wedding to Leslie. Leslies mother is 66 at the time. Betsy's mother looks about the same age or possibly older (although it's always difficult to guess) which would have made her born 1865 or earlier. That would have made her 38 or older at the time of Betsy's birth.

[JohnS]

kiterunner, Phoenix

How did you locate Betsy at Wallasey Cottage Hospital Claremount Road, Wallasey in 1939?

I've renewed my FMP subscription and can't locate her (even with variants set on the search)
If I do an address search for the hospital it only comes up with one name as resident.

[kiterunner]

I think the short answer is "on Ancestry"! You will find her on Findmypast if you search for her as Sharratt instead - the register was kept updated with changes of name for many decades. FMP have transcribed her maiden name as Aniosk!

I don't know why the full list of names doesn't come up on an address search.

Oh, and here is the link to the image:
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/reco...71D%2F017%2F02

[Phoenix]

I just searched on fmp with betsy and birthday (ignoring year)

[JohnS]

Thank you both so much.

[JohnS]

Got birth cerificate today.

Born: 26 Dec 1913 Main Street Langcliffe
Name: Betsy
Father: John Allcock
Mother: Annie Allcock formerly Pickford
Father's profession: Limestone Quarries
Informant: Annie Allcock, mother, Main Street Langcliffe

It looks like the name Marie may have been added at her baptism or confirmation?
I think Merry is correct in identifying John and Annie (without children) in the 1911 census at the same address.
Assuming that the length of time married (12 years) is correct, I can't seem to find their marriage (1899 approx) anywhere.
Nor can I find deaths for either John or Annie. Annie was on Betsy's wedding photo in 1941 but not John so perhaps he had died by then or too ill to attend the wedding (although it was in Settle).

[Merry]

Are you going to get the 1939 marriage cert? I would imagine this is the same couple, given they don't seem to have been married in 1898ish. This cert should confirm their fathers' details and may make it easier to pin them both down in earlier censuses. My next bet is that at least one of them was married to someone else before they got together! Perhaps an ex-partner died just before WW2 and so they could marry?

[kiterunner]

So, for reference, this is the 1911 census entry:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...e&pId=38567663

Main Rd, Langcliffe, Settle, Yorkshire
John Allcock Husband 48 married 12 years, no children, Quarryman, born Cauldern(?)
Annie Allcock Wife 37 married, born Leek, Staffordshire