Where was Joseph Alfred Hiron / Isles in 1851?

[Merry]

Oooh, on the 1841 census you linked to there is Philip Phillips shoemaker 61 at the bottom of the opposite page! Next to him is William and Anna Smith with a dau Mary Ann aged 8 months. I guess Philip is Thomas's father. I wonder if William Smith is a relative of Ann's?

[James18]

So the second Ann is in fact her step-mother. Interesting.
Good job, Merry!

Not sure why I couldn't find Louisa's baptism when I looked. Typical.

It seems odd that neither child's birth would be registered. I wonder what the story there is. Maybe we're just missing something...

[Merry]

Working from the birth reg for the daughter, mmn Strong, William's wife is Hannah Strong m 1840. From the transcribed marriage and the 1851 census his father is John Smith. From 1851 census William SMith was born 1815/16 at Almondsbury.

No doubt he will have a sister Ann about the right age, but we still can't be sure that is the same person who married Thomas P.

Baps for Almondsbury - need to find some....

[Merry]

So the second Ann is in fact her step-mother. Interesting.

She's not a second ANn, she's Amelia!!

[James18]

I thought it said Annelia, which is an odd name, but I've seen many odd names! I just took it that she sometimes shortened it to Ann, which would make sense.

And yes I saw the other Phillips family but didn't think anything of it at the time.

[Merry]

FMP:

William Smith 24 Apr 1814 John Nancy Almondsbury, St Mary

Ann was 26 in 1842, so.....

Ann Smith 23 Jun 1816 John Ann Almondsbury, St Mary

But is it the correct Ann??!

[Merry]

If you thought Ann and Amelia were the same person you should have looked at the later censuses as the children of Thomas and Amelia were registered!

[kiterunner]

Originally Posted by Merry

Hmmm... I searched Tho* Phil*s spouse Ann* married 1837 and got one match on those Bristol records but nothing when I clicked to open the set (as I expected). I then changed the search to just Phil*s marrying 1837 and again got one match but this time I could open it. There was nothing on the transcription to reflect the words Tho* or Ann* though. I had expected either the bride or groom's father to have forename Thomas and the church to be St Ann's, but no.....

Strange.

[Merry]

If your Thomas Phillips did marry Ann Smith of Almondsbury, then another snippet is that Ann had a sister named Louisa, same as her first child. These are the Smith siblings (children of John and Ann/Nancy Smith) bap at Almondsbury:

William 24 Apr 1814
Ann 23 Jun 1816
Mary 25 Jan 1818
Eliza 29 Sep 1822
Louisa 29 Sep 1822
George 29 Jun 1828
Joseph 29 Jun 1828

[James18]

So, am I correct in thinking the Compton-Greenfield baptism is for the correct Eliza Phillips as you've also found one for her sister Louisa, but as yet no birth registrations for either?