Where was Joseph Alfred Hiron / Isles in 1851?

[James18]

Here's another little mystery for anyone interested!

Joseph Alfred Hiron was born in Spring 1841 in Alveston, Gloucestershire. His parents were Frederick Hiron / Heron and Anne Isles / Iles. His birth is here, his marriage to Eliza Philips is here, and his death is here.

I have checked the date for the 1841 census, which was taken in April, and so Joseph will just have missed it. His parents are on separate census records at that time, and neither has a baby with them, so I doubt he was born.

In 1851, the family - minus Joseph - are together here.

In 1861, he is here with his parents and sister Caroline, who died a few years later. Joseph died in the winter of 1870/1, so obviously he isn't on the 1871 census.

As part of my search, I tried looking for a Joseph Alfred Isles, in case he had been living under his mother's name, and it does seem she had him baptized in her name despite the birth being registered in his father's. I can't find another Joseph Alfred Isles in the same area/timeframe, and as it looks like his parents married some years after his birth I'm pretty confident it's the same person.

Where, then, was Joseph in 1851?

[Merry]

I have checked the date for the 1841 census, which was taken in April

No, it was taken 6 June 1841

[Merry]

I haven't looked at the page yet, but how about


Joseph Pils abt 1841 Gloucestershire, England Alveston, Gloucestershire

EDIT This is the 1841 census, not the 1851 which you asked about! See Sue's post below.

[Sue from Southend]

On Ancestry he's transcribed as Fales, living with his Grandparents in Alveston

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...iv=1&ml_rpos=2

[Merry]

His parents are on separate census records at that time, and neither has a baby with them

Maybe you have a different record for his mother, as I think she is in this household with her parents and Joseph:

Alveston

William Pils 50 Butcher
Ann Pils 50
Ann Pils Junr. 20
Henry Pils 15
Elizabeth Pils 14
Joseph Pils 3 Mo

They all have Yes for born in county.

[James18]

@Sue

I think that could well be him. Wonderful, thanks so much.

EDIT: I've submitted a transcription error report as 'Isles'.

@Merry

Here is Frederick in 1841, and here is Ann -- or at least what I have so far.

What do you think?

His birth was registered Apr-May-Jun and his baptism was July 23rd.

[Merry]

What do you think?

I think you have the wrong Ann Iles in 1841 as the grandparents on the 1841 I posted (which also includes Ann Iles jr) are the same names as on Sue's 1851 census.

[James18]

Thanks for your help, Merry. I've replaced my 1841 census with that one, and changed his DOB to April 1841 (to match the 3 months... although it could even be March)

Thanks again for your help, ladies.

[James18]

Incidentally, are there some Bristol / Gloucestershire 1861 census records missing? I'm trying to find Eliza Phillips in 1861, and even just searching Eliza (no surname) it's just throwing up a few 1861 census samples, and then the Welsh census records. There's little/nothing for the area I'm researching. Either I've made a really obvious mistake (I did check my search criteria) or something is amiss...

[Merry]

There are lists of missing stuff on fmp but I don't remember there being much/any chunks missing from Gloucestershire in 1861.

What details did you search? I'll see how many matches I get if you like.