This might be interesting

[Merry]

1851 census:

St Oswald Chester

Tower Street

James Randles Head married 36 flatman b Chester (the whole family are born in Chester)
Ann Randles wife m 36
Jane Randles dau 12
John Randles son 11
Ann Randles dau 6
Richard Randles son 4
Thomas Randles son 2
George Randles son 9 months

[Merry]

I think this is the correct birth reg for Richard:

RANDLES, RICHARD WHETTON
GRO Reference: 1846 D Quarter in GREAT BOUGHTON Volume 19 Page 48

but I can't as yet find the marriage of his parents or the family in 1841.

[Merry]

lol Here's the marriage - I was looking for the wrong first name for James!

First name(s) JAMES
Last name RANDLES
Birth year -
Marriage date 12 Apr 1833
Marriage year 1833
Church St. John the Baptist
Place ST JOHN THE BAPTIST, CHESTER
Spouse's first name(s) Ann
Spouse's last name Wetnall
Bride's age -
Bride's birth place -
Bride's residence St. John the Baptist, Chester
Bride's marital status Single
Groom's residence St. John the Baptist, Chester
Groom's marital status Single

Some of Richard's siblings have mmn much closer to Wetnall than Whetton.

[Merry]

1841 census

Tower St (again - as 1851)

James Randall 25 labourer Yes
Ann Randall 25 Yes
William Randall 7
James Randall 1
Jane Randall 4
John Randall 2mths

So Jane is a different age, but looks likely to be them.

Next door are more Randalls, this time spelled Randles

Jane 45 Yes
Ann 20 yes
Ellen 9 Yes
George 4 Yes

I wondered if Jane is James' mother?

[kiterunner]

The family tree that I was looking at earlier does have Jane as James's mother:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...ce&pId=1448830

[vita]

Originally Posted by Merry

That's worrying if your John is the one on the 1939 register though. What do you know about his wife Lily (Wright). Do you know her birthday or anything?

(I have to keep telling myself, you have the marriage cert, you have the marriage cert, you have the marriage cert! lol)

Nor sure if you still want her info but here it is anyway - b 16th Aug 1889, Eaton Hall, Chester, where her father was gamekeeper for the Duke of Westminster. Think they lived in the much less grand Lodge where her mother had the job of opening the gates for carriages to pass through. I believe she was the only one of their children to be be born there, which pleased her immensely.













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[Merry]

Hmmm, there are two baptisms around the right date for James, but they both have the same parents names. ....

Both at Chester, St Oswald, Cheshire

June 16 1814 James son of James and Jane Randles Gorse Stacks (?) labourer

May 5 1816 James son of James Jane Randles Brook St flatman

So, either two couples or the same couple and probably the first James died. Will look for a burial....

[vita]

Meant to add, thanks for your efforts. Picture getting a lot clearer now. Wonder where Charlotte Potter & husband Richard Randles fit in, if at all?

[Merry]

Nor sure if you still want her info but here it is anyway - b 16th Aug 1889, Eaton Hall, Chester, where her father was gamekeeper for the Duke of Westminster. Think they lived in the much less grand Lodge where her mother had the job of opening the gates for carriages to pass through. I believe she was the only one of their children to be be born there, which pleased her immensely.

OK, so that is definitely the Lily on the 1939 register. Her OH was b 8 April 1888 (from memory, but exactly a week after my grandfather's birth, so I think I remember correctly!). That matches with the earlier birth reg I posted and he died in 1943, plus there's a probate entry for him which mentions his widow.

I lied about those two baps being at the same church. The 1814 one is at St Oswald and the other one is at St John the Baptist (both Chester).












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[Merry]

No obvious burial between those baps, so may be two couples. I don't have time now to check out other baps to see how that pans out, but I will look later if no one else has!