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02-09-11, 13:44
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James Jefferies (Week 5 - FFFFMF)
Name - "official" name and what they were known as
James Jefferies Date and place of birth About 1783 probably in Mangotsfield, Gloucestershire Names of parents William Jefferies and Mary ? Date and place of baptism - if applicable 23rd April 1783 at St James', Mangotsfield, Gloucestershire Details of each of his or her marriages - if any About 1801/2 ro Elizabeth unknown Occupation(s) - if any A contact told me he was a tailor but I don't know how they knew that. Possibly from the marriage certificate of one of his younger children. Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK) - and please list which censuses you have or haven't found him/her on (if s/he lived in census times!). I didn't have access to any census before 1881 when I last looked at this part of my tree, so may well be something to look for. All his children were bap in Mangotsfield up to 1829 so probably lived and died there. Date, place and cause of death Unknown Date and place of burial. Unknown Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable Unknown Memorial inscription - if any Unknown Link to 3xg-grandmother, Elizabeth Jefferies: http://genealogistsforum.co.uk/Forum...beth+jefferies In case anyone wants to check the census for James and Elizabeth whilst I am sunbathing, the children are: Eliz bap 1802 (my 3xg) James bap 1804 William Sandall bap 1807 Joseph bap 1809 Joseph bap 1810 Henry bap 1814 Charles bap 1814 Ann bap 1823 James bap 1823 Francis bap 1823 Mary Ann bap 1826 Francis bap 1828 Jane Elizabeth bap 1829 Maybe the later ones will be with parents?
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02-09-11, 15:33
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Thanks Tom.
Doesn't look good for the parents then  I did wonder if Thomas Drake was married to one of the Jefferies daughters, but I just looked on FS and there is a probable bap for the son Thomas, parents Thomas and Elizabeth, but Elizabeth Jefferies is my ancestor, so I can't have her running off and marrying a Drake! Back to the drawing board! Thanks again 
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03-09-11, 22:51
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I have a CD of baptisms including Mangotsfield, and it gives James' occupation as Tailor on the post-1813 ones. Also Henry is age 2 on his baptism. Then on those 1823 baptisms Anne is born 1817. Abode is "Common Mangotsfield" on those. The first Francis is 1825, not 1823, and abode is Staple Hill (father's occupation still Tailor). Then on the second Francis, abode is Bitton, father still Tailor. For Jane Elizabeth it has mother's name as Lydia, abode Kingswood, tailor. I'll do some more checking tomorrow but I have to go to bed now!
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03-09-11, 23:09
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Thank you Kate.
I think I saw Jane Elizabeth on the census with Lydia and wondered something was amiss in my including that baptism as the head of house is James but he is only 35! Only odd bit is that he is a land surveyor which is a bit different to a tailor! Thanks also for the date correction for Francis.
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04-09-11, 10:45
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In 1851 Francis is at Potter's Wood, Oldland, Bitton, age 22, railroad something, born hamlet of Oldland, married to Jane 20 born Cheshire Overton, and they have a lodger Thomas Drake age 18 also born hamlet of Oldland. I'll have a look on the CD's for the Drakes to see if I can sort that bit out.
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04-09-11, 10:51
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I hate to break it to you, but my Bristol marriages CD has a marriage between Thomas Drake and Elizabeth Jefferies, 25 Jul 1831 at St Augustine.
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04-09-11, 11:11
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Right, there is a marriage 9 Feb 1802 at St Augustine between James Jefferies and Elizabeth Sandell, so they must be the parents of William Sandall Jefferies baptised 1807 at least, and the date looks right for them to be the parents of Elizabeth baptised 1803. But we need to work out if there are two James / Elizabeth families, and if so, which children belong to which couple, don't we? (Or do they all belong to the same couple and your Elizabeth doesn't?)
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04-09-11, 11:16
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Oops!
I am happy my 3xg was Elizabeth Jeffereies b abt 1802 Mangotsfield, as I have census up to 1881, death cert, marriage entry, and birth cert of her youngest child which all tie together. I guess either James and Eliz are not her parents or some of those siblings are not her siblings, or both. There must be two Eliz Jefferies if there are two women in 1841..... How many Eliz Jefferies do you have in the Mangotsfield baps around 1800+? I must say a tailor doesn't feel right for this bit of my tree........
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04-09-11, 11:17
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Sorry, cross posted and I lost my connection and have to sort out my boiled over potatoes.....
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