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Old 05-05-19, 01:38
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I do agree that with what you have found that it might not be the same couple.
More investigation is warranted into that Teddington couple.
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Gentleman was just an honorary description of someone who did not work for a living. I have seen it applied on census to someone who was unemployed!

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I think, regretfully, that you have to cast a very wide net for a family in Chatham: Sunderland, Yarmouth, Portsmouth or Plymouth would be equally feasible for their origins.

I have West ancestors from Norfolk - not that I appear to carry any related chromosomes - and know that the male members of that family can all prove their kinship back to Stuart times with DNA.
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I note that whilst we have these siblings for Job Henry West:


James William 22 Nov 1795
Elaner 18 Feb 1798
William James 24 Aug 1800
Esther 18 Dec 1803
Eliza 02 Sep 1804

….we haven't found Sarah, mentioned in the opening post..

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according to Jobe's sister Sarah, their father was a son of a peer who had large estates in Camden Town
Last night I saw two baptisms in Holborn soon after the marriage between John West and Eleanor Birt and one of those was a Sarah, so, if they belong to the same couple as lived in Chatham then we can probably forget the Teddington marriage!

Holborn, British Lying-In Hospital, Endell Street

John West Baptism 7 Aug 1788 Holborn , Middlesex, John, Eleanor

Sarah West Baptism 10 Dec 1789 Holborn , Middlesex, John, Eleanor

There were two separate book entries for John, one of which gives his father's occupation and abode as a carpenter of Hornsey and that John jr was born 27 Jul 1788.

I could only find one entry for Sarah and couldn't locate an equivalent entry for her in the record with more detail, despite looking through the pages in case she wasn't indexed correctly.
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One person has an ancestry tree giving Job's mother's name as Eleanor Farrell. They don't have a marriage for Eleanor and no indication of where the surname came from.
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A nitpicky point - there was no compulsory service in Britain during the napoleonic wars, although there was a strong recruiting drive.

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I wonder whether it is certain that Sarah was Job's sister?
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Old 05-05-19, 11:47
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A carpenter in Chatham is likely to have been employed by the dockyard.
There are good survivals of dockyard records - at least for Portsmouth - and I have found my people there.
It's worth checking artificers pay records at TNA. They are indexed and you get a man's age at entry, so you can follow him through his career.
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I wonder whether it is certain that Sarah was Job's sister?
To (try to) answer my own question, from looking at ancestry trees: James William West married Hester Yates 30 Jan 1821 at St Saviour, Southwark, and the witnesses were John West and Sarah West.
Eleanor West married Nathaniel Crossland 25 Dec 1817 at St Luke, Finsbury, witnesses John West, Sarah West, and Mary Ann Crossland.

So there was definitely a Sarah in the family.

Then there is a Mary Ann West who marries Edward Alfrey Parks 19 Mar 1815 at St Luke, Finsbury, witnesses John West and Sarah West. On the 1851 census Mary Ann's birthplace is Chatham, but I don't think we have found a baptism for her yet. The ancestry tree that I was looking at gives her dob as 26 Dec 1793 but I'm not sure where they got that from.

Anyway, it does look as though John and Sarah in post #24 could well belong to the same family as Job, in which case the 1787 marriage does fit with the dates.
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Oh, and Sarah West married William Unni Parks 12 Jun 1823 at St Luke, Finsbury, witnesses John West and Esther West.
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